Quote# 18042

When you can explain to me why water going down a sink hole in different hemispheres rotates in opposite directions then you can question the authenticity of God

John R Nolan, Bible_Discussion 42 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: FFT

Quote# 18043

[So why is creationism useless nowadays?]

Because mainstream science turns its back on it.

Monies wasted on junk science like SETI, the Superconducting Super Collider, and various NASA projects could feed the homeless.

In addition, students in schools and colleges and universities wouldn't be wasting time learning evolution, and scientists themselves would be spending much more time doing research in other areas.

Monies spent on the Hubble Telescope could have been used to finance missionary work throughout the world.

People would worry much less about this earth being vaporized by an asteroid and other junk doomsday ideologies by realizing that God is in control of everything.

In short, the vacuum left by deleting evolution from our vocabulary could be filled with many major edifying projects.

I could go on and on and on, but I'll stop here --- for now to see how you reply.

AV1611VET, christian forums 45 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: ranma1/2

Quote# 18044

(On the oh so famous 8 year old video on You Tube)

You don't see harm in child rape either since this girl is obviously the victim of it since all atheists rape their kids

cubsarethebest, You Tube 41 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Ashe Raven

Quote# 18048

[Paragraph breaks added -- original post had none.]

"Ok try an experiment for me. Take a bunch of elements, sand, whatever and conpress it and blow it up in your yard(or if you want to be real scientific do it in an air tight room).

What happens? Does the mass form planets, do the planets start orbiting each other. Does only grain of sand for example produce a magnetic force field that protects it from its "sun" that is completely perfect so that life exist so that the weight of the object on these planets are just right. Also, do the planets start spining and orbiting each other, and the only 1 out of a billion billion rotate at just the right pace and angle.

There are rules in the universe. Yes. How did they come about. Who created them or did they just pop up. We must not be rapped up in the phylosophy of men and consentrate on serving God my friends. He loves you. Do seperate yourself from him.

Why didnt the monkeys of today become humans because they are monkeys. Why doesnt a apple eventually turn into a pear. Because it doesnt transform thing adapt. I adapt you adapt. You work you get bigger.

I hope this helps people peace out I could go on and on this isnt flaming anybody just trying to help i would go on but time for bed.....just remember God loves you just trust him on this one ok"

zikan 1945, Christian Forums 30 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18051

[Insulting Stephen Hawking Again]

One side is saying "up" and the other is saying "down", one side is saying "yes" and the other is saying "no", one side is saying "left" and the other "right", one side is saying "black" and the other "white". YOU say neither, and for that I can say you are wrong. It is a case of "is" or "isnt", NOT "neither". That is just for the "global warming" issue. When it comes to this outer space project, that is completely something different.

In order to get "validation" for projects that are absurd, why wheel out Hawking? Is that all the validation you can get? HE cannot even look up at the sky to say what the weather is like. HE cannot even stare at a star to give me a general direction as to where HE might suggest we go to save ourselves. HE is full of answers for the solutions that mankind needs to prevent extinction, yet he cannot solve his medical ailment. Hell, HE or they cannot agree as to what that ailment is, ALS or MND. BUT, by God, he will provide us with the clues to save ourselves.

Mr.Coulter, God or Science 44 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18055

Protection from cursing

If someone tries to curse you how do you protect yourself from them and stop the curse from having an effect? As far as I know no one has cursed me but I am concerned after reading another thread in this section about this sort of thing happening.

Chococat, Chococat 37 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18056

[Regarding putting only Christian symbols up in public space, responding to, "So it's not oppression when my religious symbols are left out of the public arena, but it is oppression when your religious symbols are left out? HYPOCRITE.]

No. It is called picking the biggest and going with it. There is no way possible to put up every single symbol of the world in one spot. It's like on the 4th of July, suing that the Mexican, English, French, etc. independance isn't getting equal time during that holiday. It's not oppression, it is going along with what the particular holiday was originally desinged to be that so many celebrate. It is just bad timing to put such a little holiday right next to the biggest holiday of the year.

[Emphasis added]

Brian, Myspace 34 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Sierra

Quote# 18064

Science is always wrong.

KJVisTruth, Christian Forums 64 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18067

homosexuality is like a computer u can throw out or destroy.r u born with a computr?

marshgreencohen, Christian Forums 56 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18071

[From the man who believes that God has rewrittian the entire Universe two times in the past and will do so again in Revelation]

Have you any evidence or indication whatsoever that the past up to around 4400 years ago was any different? I sure don't.

dad, Christianforums 20 Comments [12/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Theironpaperclip

Quote# 17987

Sialkot (AsiaNews) – The All Pakistan Minorities Alliance (APMA) has managed to secure the release of two Christian women who were kidnapped and tortured for three months by a Muslim couple of Sialkot who wanted to convert them to Islam. The APMA director, Shabhaz Batti, told AsiaNews about the women and called on the government to “punish those guilty of this atrocious incident as severely as possible.”

Bhatti told how Nasreen Pervez, 40, and her daughter, Razia, 13, “went to the home of Muhammad Ikram, a Muslim of Sialkot, after the death of Nasreen’s husband, Pervaiz, in September.” Pervaiz “ran a poultry breeding farm in Punjab, but his business was struck by bird flu and he got ill and died. After his death, mother and daughter started to work as servants in the residence of Muhammad, their neighbour.”

However, after they had been working there for one month, Muhammad “refused to pay their salary and together with his wife, kidnapped the two women. They tore the crosses from their necks and forbade them to pray. They demanded that the women change their faith and convert to Islam and when they refused, they tortured them.”

At night, “they were chained to prevent them from escaping. Razia’s right foot was injured with the shards of a broken bottle and both had burns on their bodies. One day, Muhammad threatened to kill their relatives if they continued to be hard headed and to refuse to change religion or if they tried to escape.”

Muhammad Ikram, Asianews.com 22 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Crembels

Quote# 17989

[It just seems like your stance is that homosexual people lack something innate in heterosexual people, and I'm wondering how you support this?]

Would you rather drink a glass of wine with one ounce of urine in it, or a glass of 1/2 urine and 1/2 wine? Neither, I'm sure. When discussing children, one should seek what is in the BEST interests of the child.

HomeschoolrsRUs, FreeConservatives 48 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 17990

It is frightening that the ignorance of science costs so many lives. In fact it is reported to be the third leading cause of death. Science is a powerful weapon that is quick to kill if your not careful with it. You had better be careful who you trust and who you believe, because it could cost you your life or the life of a loved one. As your post seems to point out that ignorance on the part of science can cost people their lives. It is interesting to note that when science goes out on strike then less people end up dieing during that period of time. Perhaps they do more harm then good, but they just lie to people to try and deceive them into thinking they are getting help, so that "science" can get into their wallet and get their money. So if you see a evolutionary scientist heading in your direction the best course of action maybe to grab your money and run the opposite direction.

JohnR7, Christianforums 47 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Theironpaperclip

Quote# 17992

[Excerpts from a post titled "God vs. the Flying Spaghetti Monster"]

"If evolution/naturalism is true, then who cares about anything at all? We're all just pond scum with eyeballs anyway, so why spend so much time fighting against religious faith?"

"In atheism, there is no truth, no right and wrong, nothing at all beyond our senses, but they scream if anybody disagrees with them. . . . Not a religion? Actions speak louder than words. Just look at the juvenile mockery, the straw men, the hatred they show for all who do not belong to the religion called Atheism. Those sites are filled with this crap, yet they think themselves to be rational and intelligent."

"You might also try reminding them that much of their belief system relies on hypothetical entities in physics (which means blind faith in theories that can't be proved). For example, the Big Bang theory is coming under increasing criticism by a growing number of scientists, most of whom are atheists. Atheists were not there to see the BB yet they have absolute blind faith in it, even when many of their own 'high priests' have abandoned it."

"If all life evolved, and living things are dependent upon each other, then how did they all evolve in perfect balance? This takes more blind faith that anything most other religions ask for."

"Another tool in the atheists' bag is to make up rules for debate that tilt the game in their favor. They'll insist that you can't use the Bible in any of your arguments, yet they'll use their own religious writings which assert that naturalism is true. . . . They get to operate on the basis of their biased world view while banning yours."

Ready2Rapture, CureZone 29 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: gremlinn

Quote# 17993

Man can only walk in moral darkness. He can never know the unintended consequesnces of both his good acts and his evil acts. Only God can mitigate said consequences (of both good and evil acts) to usher in ultimate good and lasting good.

An example: You save a man from drowning - a good act indeed. Yet that man goes out that night and rapes and kills four women. Your good act, saving a man's life, is directly related to the death of these woman. If you had to allowed the man to drown those women would still be alive.

We are morally blind, blind to the consequences of both our good acts and evil acts...

lion, CARM 40 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 17994

(1)portraying fundamentalist Christianity as sinister, dangerous, and antiquated, while (2) picking on those poor little homosexuals and trying to establish a theocracy to impose their moral values, like the Nazis, etc.

Just another appeal to emotions, the psychological strategy being to pit one emotion (fear) against the other (hatred), labelling those who oppose the homosexual agenda as the latter, who are actually to be feared. Middle-of-the-road Christians are the target of these appeals, as these activists have properly identified those who refuse to budge from WHAT IS WRITTEN as being beyond their sway.

christdependent, CARM 17 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 17995

Does allah accept his responsibilities for the millions he has killed through mahomet, the terrorist? For the orders he gives continually to kill?

No one is killed through the Christ, in fact the Christ was killed for the killers, so they can find mercy/forgiveness and live.

Mahomet kills again and again. Even tho he is dead, he kills through his agents. Killers burn in hell. Hope it's cozy for him.

LoneStar, CARM 26 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 17996

I really hate it when atheists I know try to act like they look down on me for believing in God. Saying shit like they didn't know I was one of those weak minded people who needs to cling to some imaginary God for strength. Fuck that, and fuck anyone who thinks that. You know what I think? I think it shows MORE strength of character to hold onto your belief in things unseen, like God. It takes more will and mind power to believe in something purely on faith, something that CAN'T be proved, to stand up against science and atheists and anyone else who says your wrong. If you don't believe in God, and you believe in science...WOW, you believe it because science says it is so and there's all this proof. You need to see to believe -- you have no faith. Isn't that weaker? Isn't THAT the real lacking, to not be able to believe in something without seeing it yourself.

That's just an answer to all the people who come at me like that. Personally, I really don't care what anyone else believes. You have your beliefs, I have mine, and as long as your beliefs aren't detrimental to my life or the lives of others, go on with your bad self. But do me that same favor, leave me to my beliefs without your snide little comments or condescending attitude.

DarkAngel, Mydeardiary.com 36 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 17997

"If evolution is always about change, then it would be unchangingly changing. Self defeating again. It would have to not always be about change, in which case, it would also be about not changing, and thats self defeating logic too."


YeshuMarine, CARM.org Discussion Forums 43 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Aagcobb

Quote# 17998

Darwin was a christian, he NEVER said anything about evolution, he only talked about adaptation of the species.

There has NEVER been found a missing "link" or ape men found.

Mine and my hubby's theroy, there were NEVER any dinosaurs. Wait!!!! before the lynch mob, hear me out. In all the world there is NOT ONE single complete dinosaur. Sure they have them and they are about 90% complete but there is not one that is completly done. Now two more points. * Giants lived in the world they were part demon and part man, they are the ones spoken of in the bible. * And in revelation satan is going to tell you, that there are UFO's and that is what took everyone away, so if he is going to lie about the future like that, why not the past? I'm done I may post an entry about this. wonderful subject.

Jenn



gwenharva (Jenn), Mydeardiary.com 38 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 17999

There is no evolution just adaptation.

gwenharva, Mydeardiary.com 28 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18001

with me its a malevolence towards all I meet.......but I know better and behave accordingly but I swear there are times I can see myself ripping someones heart right from their chest (if they are pissing me off...which is frequent) Sometimes I believe I am a either demon or devil in a human body...I suppose I will find out someday........one way or another.

Satansfist Soulcrusher, Above Top Secret 33 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18002

I used to be an unbeliever so I know what it means to not be able to believe in God. But the difference between me and atheists is that I could see my own contradictions as an unbeliever and atheists can't.

If they could, they would see that their lack of beliefs depends on changing history and denying intelligent design which would mean that everything would be based on chance and unpredictable. That contradicts the laws of nature that sicencists rely on and it contradicts logic itself. So the fact that atheists can't see that, then it really isn't possible to have logical conversations with them. But people who are honest with themselves can see where their logic is faulty and why they need a redeemer.

Carico, Christian Forums 25 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: JustinGG

Quote# 18003

I can imagine that there are people who go though a period of time in their life where they may question God. But I can not image anyone living their whole life without God being a part of it.

Even the grand martial Dawkins himself opens his presentation with an announcement that God is a "Delusion". Then he steadys himself for the inevitable lightening bolt that is going to come flashing out of the sky. But when nothing happens, then he breathes a sigh of relief and gets on with trying to promote his book.

Dawkins know what he can get away with and what he can not get away with. Just like the ocean has a limit, so humans have their limits and they have a boundry in what God will allow them to do.

Jeremiah 5:22 niv
Should you not fear me?" declares the Lord.
"Should you not tremble in my presence?
I made the sand a boundary for the sea,
an everlasting barrier it cannot cross.
The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail;
they may roar, but they cannot cross it.

The main thing I see is that people die a early death when they set a bad example for others. Mick Jagger seems to go on forever simply because he admits there is no satisfaction in what he is doing. Yet people like Elvis, james dean, marilyn monroe, janis joplin, jimmy hendrix and many more died a early death because of the bad example they were showing others.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 37 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: JustinGG

Quote# 18005

After 4.53 Billion years, Evolution had Not produced even 1 Human Civilization. Suddenly, some 10,000 + - years ago, Noah arrived on this Planet. Less than 100 miles south of the mountains of Ararat, the 1st evidences of Human Civilization are observed.

It is the land of Mesopotamia which contains this Earth's first Human Civilization. NO man could have told us that our 1st Civilization is traceable to Noah and his grandsons, but God told us this more than 3,000 years ago.

For years, Evols have searched in vain for a Human Civilization older than that which is written in Scripture. There is NONE, because Noah brought Human Intelligence and Civilization to this Planet, after their World was destroyed by Water.

This, of course, means that Macro is a Lie and God's Holy Word is the Truth. We did not Evolve our Human Intelligence. We inherited it from Adam, exactly as God told us we did.

If Noah had not left his world and came to this Planet, we would still be innocent Apes, because Evolution does NOT produce Humans. Human Intelligence must be inherited from another Human. Had it been the case, Evolutionism could have done it Millions/Billions of years ago.

Pillars2, Beliefnet.com 31 Comments [12/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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