Quote# 95376

(Women and hats and gay marriage caused God to burn down Colorado)

Buehner: Colorado is asking for judgment and God is delivering it in little pieces. He is very gracious that He hasn’t destroyed the whole state yet; I think that’s an act of grace. But then the question is: of all of Colorado, why Colorado Springs? I mean, Colorado Springs is the Christian mecca. Why not wipe out Boulder or Denver? I mean those people are in more radical rebellion.

Swanson: Oh yeah, they’re Democrats up there.

Buehner: And the answer is: judgment begins in the House of God.

…

Swanson: Coming back from Australia, I’m stuck in fourteen hours of these visual presentations, sitcoms and stuff, on seventeen screens in front of me and I’ve never seen so many breasts in all of my life. The immodesty going on in our society is far worse than it was back when Cheers, Family Ties and The Cosby Show was playing. I mean every form of aberrant sexuality and women’s breasts are shown in front of me almost nonstop for fourteen hours. It’s just such an oppressive, horrible, horrible world and so many of our young girls in our Christian churches are running down to Wal-Mart and buying the same clothes. These are the sorts of things that I’m bringing out in front of God’s people, I’m saying: how are we going to repent of the sexual sin that is paraded in front of us in the wider culture? Why do we have to submit to theses sexual sins again and again?

I brought up androgyny and how many young boys are running out and doing the metrosexual thing with the skinny pants and the little fairy shoes. They’re working on the gender blender for themselves and they don’t want to look like a man and God is just so upset, He hates it when man are not manly in their approach. 1 Corinthians 6 speaks about homosexuality and feminine behavior and feminine dress for men. God does not want men to be androgynous and feminine like in their approach; He gave them facial hair for a reason.

These are the sorts of things that I preached yesterday because I said, you could just say, ‘well all of the unisex, homosexual, metrosexual stuff that’s out in the world is so bad but we’re not going to repent of anything, we’re not going to look any different, we’re not going to bear any fruits of repentance in the way that we dress and the way that we interact.’ Then I brought out the whole thing on feminism and how feminism has corrupted our women today. I brought out this quote from Forbes magazine, July 27, 2012:

It’s hard to deny the key role that fashion has played in the women’s movement…Ms. Magazine points to New York City women garment workers in the early 20th century who wore hats to signify that they were earning their own money, and thus financially independent. Women in the 1980s adopted a male style of dress—ties, tailored skirt suits, shoulder pads—in order to gain a foothold in the male dominated world of business. And Carol Moseley Braun, the first African American woman elected to the U.S. Senate, wore a pantsuit on the Senate floor in 1993, ending the Senate’s ban on women wearing slacks there.

My question was: Do you resist feminist trends? Do you argue with it? Do you find ways to oppose it? Or do you just succumb to it and just kowtow to feminism? Dave, I’m afraid this stuff is all over the place in our nice little evangelical, reformed, conservative, fundamentalist churches.

Buehner: Kevin my main text this last Lord’s Day: God is a consuming fire.

Kevin Swanson and Dave Buehner , Right Wing Watch 44 Comments [7/8/2013 3:46:04 AM]
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Quote# 95374

We are waiting for the 7th millenium which is also known as the 1000 years of peace. The same formula is applied - 1000 years equals 1 day.

In John it says that the works were finished from the creation of the world. The Lamb was slain from the creation of the world (Rev 13v8). This time span on earth time is a slow motion action replay of the events that happened in the 6 Days from the fall of Satan to the Creation of Genesis 1. We have already lived the 6000 years and are waiting for it to end.

The 1000 years of peace are for believers only. It is when the Bridegroom reunites with His Bride in Jerusalem and all the issues are resolved. There will be no death, disease, poverty or divorce. There will be no wars, no demons, no famine, no theft or corruption.

There will be no governments for the Lamb of God is King of Kings. He will be our only King forever. There will be love, peace and perfect harmony. The lion will lie down with the lamb. Plants will no longer be poisonous, there will be no drugs like cocaine, heroin, crystal meth, dagga or opium. The only drinks will be pure crystal clear water and the new wine.

Insects will not bite or sting, and mosquitoes will not whine; flies will not infect with germs. There will be no germs, no corruption no heart attacks or HIV AIDS in the 1000 years of peace.

The seas and rivers, lakes and streams will be free of all impurities. Fish will resume their proper breeding and the oceans will teem with fish.

The air we breathe will be fresh and smoke free for all to enjoy.

Everyone will work for the same salary. The Lamb will own everything. We will live under a theocracy the best form of government. We will be one people under Jesus. There will be no separate nations.

Sport will be enjoyed without the need of competition. There will be no vying for supremacy and hooliganism will not exist. Any mentally, emotionally or physically challenged believer will be made whole. In fact every awful thing Satan did to us in the Six Days will be wiped out as if it never happened.

We will live like kings on the Earth till the 1000 years are over. A time of living in Eden before mankind fell. There will be no sin of any kind at this time, no alcohol, no cigarettes, no cursing, no witchcraft, sorcery or satanism. No lies or deceit or fraud. Everyone will love and trust each other. Our dead family members will be alive with us on Earth. So there will be no tears, sorrow or mourning.

What a wonderful life it will be.

A life without weapons, guns, knives, cannons or tanks. No army or navy or airforce. No nuclear threat, no fear of kidnapping, hijacking or rape. No need for high walls or electric fences. There will be no fear of anything ever again.

It will be perfect as God made it before satan destroyed everything.

Prayer: Father God we yearn for these halcyon days in which we will rebuild the waste places together with Jesus. It is up to us to show those on the outside what they will be missing. Help us O Lord to do Your will. In Jesus' name. Amen.
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Brenda Rethman, Prophetic Fire 48 Comments [7/8/2013 3:45:34 AM]
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Quote# 95373

President Obama and the Progressive Liberal Social it Democrat Party, in a war against all humanity in the name of Islam. The low information voters who have put him and his lackeys in charge are too ignorant and self absorbed to see the bleak future for the present one they exist in. Allahu akbar is his true rallying cry.

aberdeenvet , CBN 28 Comments [7/8/2013 3:45:17 AM]
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Quote# 95372

It is amazing to read the comments. Christians of 50 years ago would feel like I do: Rip Van Winkels in a world that has changed beyond comprehension. I do not even attempt rational discussion with "progressive" people today, including most who think they are Christians
living in a fantasy comfort zone.

My great grandmother, a retired US obstetrician, living in the Sudatenland in 1938, found out the hard way: 7 years in Polish concentration camps then trapped behind the Iron Curtain & dying in poverty.

Many think they are sitting in the bleachers and wouldn't recognize reality until the lions leap the ring and start their "work" in the bleachers.

christian, CBN 21 Comments [7/8/2013 3:45:09 AM]
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Quote# 95371

Let's see, we can live under a secular/atheist/lieberal government run by the spiritual descendants of the Jacobins, the Nazi's, and the Red Guard, or we can live under a theocracy with the perfect principles of Christianity. We can live under the absolute depravity of the lieberals, or the decency of the conservatives. That shouldn't be a tough choice for anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size, should it? After all, our secular government commits murder, promotes sloth, promotes theft, fosters ignorance, indoctrinates our children with the lies of atheists and lieberals, distorts the truth through the state-controlled media, promotes sexual perversion, and promotes just about everything that is evil. Christians need to realize that we will live under a theocracy for eternity and that to want to live under a morally depraved secular government here is to deny God and prove yourself unfit for Heaven.

Bob, Zionica 32 Comments [7/8/2013 3:44:55 AM]
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Quote# 95370

Women nag, men spank. Women have shape tongues, and equally sharp minds, which they can use with great effect. Men have upper body strength. For good or for evil, but use what God gave them. The strong-willed wife will try to outlast her husband's hand on a bare bottom. She will protest to both him and others about some perceived abuse at his hand even when none exists and the punishment was well deserved. However, the wife who has had a significant disciplinary experience from the top of her buttocks to the upper third of her thighs (down to what women of a few generations ago used to call the “stocking line”) will keep the matter to herself. She will bring no further embarrassment upon her house. To the surprise of many, the deserving wife caught compromised across her husband's knees will ask for privacy so he may continue with the task at hand. She will apologize more for her indiscretions than for her husband's punishing her for them. If one's children find out, it is not end of the world. Most children understand more than adults give the credit. In particular, children understand spanking far more than they understand bitterness and divorce. A child who grows up aware that mother submits to father's discipline may be less likely to engage in frivolous and dangerous behavior as they grow older. Even if she has grown children and has remained unpunished since her own childhood, the woman who is ruining her marriage knows she is not “too old”. She knows that vanity, pride in saying “he [her husband] wouldn't dare” is a poor substitute for a loving marriage in which he does, even more frequently than she would wish.

When the husband announces, “It's time”; a wife expects four things that she will vow never to tell her husband. One is to lose her pants early to prove he means business. She expects it “to hurt” sufficiently to make her cry in repentance. She knows that it must get though to her so that there is no doubt in her mind or that of her husband that he is in control. Finally, she expects to feel better after it is over. These she expects her husband to know he well enough to act on this knowledge without her telling him.

To see whether her husband is serious about her and their marriage, women will frequently roll out three sets of stumbling blocks. Each increases in intensity. The first are the preliminary protests. The second are the promises and pleadings when he begins. The third are, although the language may be more blunt, rages of anger at being “treated this way” as he continues. For the husband who conquers all three, there is the promise of peace beyond. Domestic tranquility will be restored.

No One, Christian Domestic Discipline 47 Comments [7/8/2013 3:06:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 95367

I've altered my view.

When you visit the beach for the purpose tanning in the sun, you allow the sun's rays to beam down on the front of your body, and before you burn too much, you turn 180 degrees and the process is repeated on the back of your body.

With that 2-step process in mind, the blood images on the shroud were deposited with radiation hitting the shroud during the resurrection process and that was responsible for the transfer of the blood image onto the cloth.

Jesus' body was emitting light during the resurrection. After the frontal image was produced by His blood, He turned once and the dorsal image was produced, in the same manner. Blood appeared on both sides of the cloth on the outermost fibrils, but did not seep through the entire cloth.

Or Jesus was using the light from the sun, as a source of radiant energy.

I find it would be difficult for, as an example, the sun's radiant light to hit both the front and back of the body of Jesus simultaneously, but Dr. Piczek stated His body was the source of emitted energy, and I, as well thought of this process initially (emission of light, not levitation).

Yet, since the stone was rolled away from the tomb and the soldiers who were on guard were basically unconscious, my feeling is Jesus harnessed the light of the sun to initiate the resurrection process.

Therefore, I propose a two-step reaction involving a levitation. If Jesus is able to levitate, as Dr. Piczek has proposed, He is able to turn once, as well.

The front of His body is subjected to a beam of light from the sun and the frontal image is transferred onto the shroud cloth.

At that point, Jesus turns once, slowly, and the back of his body is submitted to the beam of sunlight and the dorsal image appears on the back of the shroud cloth.

In this manner Jesus is controlling how much energy in the form of photons, as example, is hitting His body.

So, it would be equivalent to your turning over from front to back when you're in the process of receiving a sunburn in the tanning process. You alone control how much light your body is receiving.

In this manner, only the uppermost fibrils on both the back and front of the cloth would be colored with His blood.

And voilà, we have the image on the shroud. Yeah!

This would be what you would call magic, Rachel.

Angel, Amazon Atheist Forum 47 Comments [7/7/2013 3:27:50 AM]
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Quote# 95364

[Can't you see how convoluted this explanation is? You're beginning with your conclusion and working backwards, which is the method used by a believer and not a scientist.]

I am stating my conclusion to you, and working backwards. When I thought of this process, I worked forward in a step-wise manner.

All pieces of the puzzle must be carefully examined if you are initially given a completed puzzle.

As an example, Einstein may have been working on Energy and he may have calculated the product of mc^2 first.

Knowing the product and knowing the weight of the matter he was working with, Einstein may have calculated backwards to find "what value" times that amount of matter would give him that amount of Energy.

Therefore, working backwards, Einstein may have played around with the equation until he found speed of light squared was the missing link.

Or Einstein may have known the speed of light, but that value did not work in his equation. Einstein, therefore, may have doubled the speed of light and that didn't work either, and as a result of a few failures, he may have ultimately squared the speed of light. Once Einstein squared the speed of light that solved his problem. Einstein easily could have worked backwards.

Having the value for the speed of light squared, Einstein then would have been able to show E = mc^2.

Yet, Einstein may have found his formula by working either forward or backward.

Angel, Amazon Atheist Forum 29 Comments [7/7/2013 3:26:48 AM]
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Quote# 95357

Pennsylvania Rep. Gary Sims, an openly gay legislator, was blocked from speaking on the floor of the state House on Wednesday by a colleague who believed Sims’ plans to speak about the U.S. Supreme Court’s marriage decision would be in "open rebellion against God’s law.”

According to WHYY, Rep. Daryl Metcalfe raised a procedural objection to stop Sims from speaking during a part of the House session in which legislators often give wide-ranging remarks.

"I did not believe that as a member of that body that I should allow someone to make comments such as he was preparing to make that ultimately were just open rebellion against what the word of God has said, what God has said, and just open rebellion against God's law," said Metcalfe, R-Butler.

Daryl Metcalfe, Right Wing Watch 54 Comments [7/7/2013 3:24:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Zagen30

Quote# 95356

Satan tempts people to sin. Jesus sets the captives free. Satan promotes secular humanism as the answer. Jesus proclaims the Gospel message of forgiveness through His cross. Satan says that science can be your "savior." Jesus is actually the Lord of science, history, and eternity. Satan lost. Jesus won. And you will either win or lose as well.

Dan Delzell, Christian Post 36 Comments [7/7/2013 3:24:10 AM]
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Quote# 95353

[In light of the DOMA ruling]

I pray the rapture is soon. Cause severe peresecution of christians (we will likely be called haters btw) I think is going to happen in america


I mean, there is already massive persecution and massive hate towards those who are Bible Believing Christians by some folks in those country.


the hatred and towards Bible Believing Christians IMO is going to get worse and sadly, ugly and violent.

billiefan2000, rr-bb.com 62 Comments [7/5/2013 3:18:26 AM]
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Quote# 95348

(From a long, insane, half-researched tirade against Marilyn Manson, this is one of the dumbest sections)

Manson sells WWJD bracelets at his concerts saying that it does not stand for "What Would Jesus Do", but instead they stand for "WE WANT JESUS DEAD". He has allegedly raped a young girl on the stage, and has sodomized one of his band members in front of thousands of children. He took a little puppy dog that was only 6 weeks old, and tossed it into the audience, encouraging kids to rip it to pieces and then smear the blood all over one another, which they gladly did. He said he dreams of the day that he can take a little baby and do the same thing to the baby. He has asked audiences at his concerts if they have ever eaten babies. He sells t-shirts encouraging children to KILL GOD, KILL THEIR PARENTS, and then KILL THEMSELVES. Many a teenager has committed suicide after going home from his demonic concerts. Singer Courtney Love, pulled out of her on the road tour with Manson, in March of 1999, stating that she would never tour with him again as he was telling children to commit suicide. This web site would never endorse Courtney Love or her music, but in this case we say, "Good On Ya, Courtney!"
Manson tells kids that Hell is a great place and they need not fear Hell. He says it is one great big party for eternity with all of the drugs and sex you can ever want. He tells them to escape the pressures of this world by committing suicide. I notice that Manson advocates suicide and tells young people to do it, but he fails to lead by example! If Hell is so great and suicide is the solution to life's problems as Manson says, then why doesn't he set the example? I will even loan him my gun if he will just practice what he preaches!

This was an unconfirmed rumor, but Marilyn Manson supposedly had his bottom two ribs removed, so that he can perform oral-sex on himself. He bragged about this in interviews, although some say he made that up and he never actually did this. Just the fact that he would state such a filthy thing, shows his reprobate mind.

Twiggy Rameriez , one of Manson's band members was arrested for molesting a little boy. Manson and Twiggy have frequently kissed and fondled each other at concerts. Marilyn Manson and Trent Reznor of satanic band "Nine Inch Nails" had sexual intercourse.

According to Manson, the eye tattoos on Marilyn's forearms are really bulls-eyes for his heroin needles. Marilyn Manson told many that he had gotten breast-implants, but that he later had them removed. He had posed for a photo showing himself with breast, but he no longer has them now. See photo below. [Mechanical Animals album cover, which was a harness, not implants]

(The rest of it is just as funny and stupid, and for those who are curious, the shirt is real, the Manson and Twiggy on stage action is real, and the Manson and Trent stuff is a rumor, the rest of it is 100% bullshit)

Johnny Lee Clary, Jesus-Is-Savior 66 Comments [7/5/2013 3:16:17 AM]
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Submitted By: PosthumanHeresy

Quote# 95347

When I read the headlines in the morning, I was shocked. I was also very sad by that gigantic step backwards.

My wife, who had not read the news, had also wakened up very sad and only later told me that she had a dream, where she saw a building like a temple. When she described me the building, I could understand that it was the Supreme Court building. I showed her the picture of this building, and it was really this. She saw Satan there inside, being adored by the judges and others who work in that place. She saw Satan as big as the Supreme Court temple itself, showing hate for all those who worship Jesus Christ.

She saw Jesus’ worshipers, who had a small prayer room in that building, very sad and fearing for things yet to come, because Satan, who she saw as the owner of the whole Supreme Court space, wanted to take more measures to persecute Christians. The striking down of the Defense of Marriage is only the first step of the Supreme Court owner.

Julio Severo, http://lastdayswatchman.blogspot.com 49 Comments [7/5/2013 3:15:45 AM]
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Submitted By: DharmicDalek

Quote# 95345

(on why they lost the DOMA/Prop 8 cases at SCOTUS)

We are reluctant to sound unkind to the pro-family legal people who worked hard on these cases. But this is such a horrible outcome that something must be said.

Both of these cases suffered from an unaggressive and short-sighted approach that bordered on incompetence. The pro-family side did not present a credible case in either of these cases. They were deathly afraid that telling the truth about homosexuality might offend someone. By not effectively countering the absurd arguments and assumptions by the homosexual movement, they made it easy for the judges to rule as they did.

In the Federal District Court case in 2010 the homosexual lobby's lawyers bombarded the court with their well-honed talking points on "marriage", "family", the welfare of children of same-sex couples, and the like. They portrayed same-sex "marriages" as natural constructs that conservatives don't happen to like.

But as we reported at the time, the pro-family lawyers refused to consider using the medical and psychological dangers and moral issues surrounding homosexuality as counter-arguments. Instead they came up with soft arguments like "every child needs a father and a mother." In fact, the lawyers on our side accepted California's civil union law, which allows homosexual "parenting," as a legitimate compromise. This made their "mother and father" argument impossible to defend.

The handling of the case was so bad that the Federal District Court judge -- the "out" homosexual -- rebuked the pro-family lawyers for the lack of evidence they presented! It was almost as if the judge had no choice but to rule against us, based on what he had to work with.

When it got to the Supreme Court, it was no better. Our lawyers gave no credible reasons why same-sex couples should be treated differently, nor did they point to the immorality or destructiveness of that "lifestyle".

The DOMA case was even worse. Issues such as the morality of homosexuality, the perversion of the behavior itself, the absurd "equality" of homosexual relationships to heterosexual relationships, the bizarre effects on children having "two dads", and the overwhelming medical and psychological problems associated with homosexuality were the underlying reasons for the law's original passage. These are all legitimate issues. But the pro-family lawyers were afraid to use these arguments.

Thus, the Justices accepted the premise that homosexuals are a "class" of people who are born that way, and that there is nothing immoral or perverted (or destructive) about that behavior.

The cowardly nature of the pro-family movement has wrought terrible consequences and continues to be a huge problem. The DOMA case represents the tip of the iceberg. This unwillingness to address the underlying issue of homosexuality itself -- the behavior, its associated health risks, the profound moral issues, and the "born gay" myth -- gives that movement free rein to continue its march through our institutions.

As comfortable an argument as it is, we must stop deluding ourselves that this war is about the definition of marriage or children needing both a mother and a father. It's a bare-knuckles battle about truth versus lies that we cannot afford to continue to lose.

Mass Resistance, Mass Resistance 52 Comments [7/5/2013 3:14:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Aspergus

Quote# 95342

“Neither the court, the state, the president, the Congress, nor even the voters have the right to legalize same-sex marriage,” Baehr says. “It violates the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, which states that Congress can’t deny anyone the freedom to worship.

“Marriage and family are religious institutions ordained by God,” he adds. “And the civil government owes its existence the consent of the governed, not the other way around, in the tradition of the Magna Carta.

“Furthermore, since Samuel Rutherford wrote Lex, Rex, which clarified the rule of law posited by the Magna Carta, all of these forms of government have been under God’s law in the United Kingdom and the United States of America. When king or ruler is above the law, he often acts in imperious and dictatorial ways, for the very nature of power is to corrupt the powerful, unless it is restrained by God’s law. Constitutionally, therefore, the courts can’t tell any Jew, any Christian or any church or synagogue who can and cannot be married.”

Baehr notes that the idea to abolish marriage and the family comes from The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Frederich Engels, which produced such mass-murdering tyrants as Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Castro.

Ted Baehr, Charisma News 47 Comments [7/5/2013 3:13:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Zagen30

Quote# 95340

[On women being permitted in combat]
This war doesn’t involve only women who have volunteered to serve in our military. It’s a real war against all 18-year-old American girls, because for the first time in our nation’s history they will be required to sign up for the draft and be ready for a letter from Selective Service ordering them to report for military duty.

Phyllis Schlafly, World Net Daily 48 Comments [7/5/2013 3:12:18 AM]
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Submitted By: Hertzyscowicz

Quote# 95339

Repercussions of the Supreme Court’s Attack on Marriage

Yesterday the Supreme Court launched an intolerable assault on the sanctity of holy matrimony, squashing the Defense of Marriage Age and California’s Proposition 8. The repercussions will twist society beyond recognition. Among the most obvious is the effective banning of Christianity; inevitably, priests and ministers will face legal retribution if they refuse to reject their own faith by performing blasphemous homosexual “marriages.” There are also secular forms of blasphemy, like this:

The spouses of gay and lesbian service members will be among those to receive federal benefits, including burial at Arlington National Cemetery, the Pentagon announced Wednesday, hours after the Supreme Court overturned the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act.

Just hours after. It’s almost as if the moonbat apparatchiks Obama has set atop the Armed Forces were waiting for the Supremes’ rulings on the edge of their seats.

“We will move very swiftly, expeditiously, on implementing the law,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said during a Wednesday afternoon press briefing. …

“I have a responsibility to carry out the law of the land – the decision the Supreme Court gave today – from this place,” he said.

Presumably Hagel managed to say this with a straight face — despite the Obama Regime’s open refusal to enforce DOMA, which was the law of the land until yesterday. But things change quickly lately; until just recently, Obama himself opposed the obscene concept of homosexual marriage, recognizing that it was too outrageous for the public to support.

That leftists were able to push this grotesque social engineering campaign to such a disgusting extreme is due not only to the compliance of the same brainwashed herd that was duped into electing Obama, but to the cowardice and moral spinelessness of the conservatives who failed to rally resistance. Virtually no so-called conservatives will criticize anything to do with homosexuality, out of pants-wetting terror of being denounced as politically incorrect. All who have been cowed into pandering to depravity are complicit in the Supremes’ sick rulings — which like much that is imposed by the federal government these days appear to be a calculated gob of saliva in the face of all that is good, decent, holy, and worthy of respect.

Fortunately, spit wipes away. Liberals in their absurd hubris believe they can reverse human nature and thousands of years of history by simple decree. Depravity is now normal, according to the law. But not according to our hearts.

Though liberals revere homosexuality, the taboo against it is so strong that all three of the major religions that have come out of the Middle East to shape human history — Christianity, Judaism, and Islam — have called for it to be punishable by death. Other than Muslims, no one advocates the death penalty now; but normalization, so that homosexual liaisons are decreed by law to be of equal validity to legitimate marriages, as the deranged Justice Kennedy demands? No way.

The social engineers have run a masterful propaganda campaign, but this time they have overstepped. Though human spirits often give way, they are not easily broken. Like saplings, the farther you bend them, the harder they snap back. Sooner or later, people will rediscover their sense of decency — and their sense of outrage.

Dave Blount, Moonbattery 44 Comments [7/5/2013 3:12:06 AM]
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Quote# 95338

A brochure promoting the Liberty School of Aeronautics features a photo of Dan McCready, First Lieutenant USAF, who is quoted, “Since I was very young, I’ve dreamed about becoming a pilot in the U.S. Air Force. Liberty’s aviation program gave me the opportunity to make my dream a reality, helping me to realize that I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.”

Tim Carentz obtained his undergraduate degree from Liberty, works for the Air Force now, and is pursuing a master’s in divinity from Liberty. Carentz told me he could not speak for the Air Force, but as a Liberty student and a pastor he believes “it’s biblical to have a national pride.”

“I believe authorities are put in place with the approval of God,” Carentz assured me. “If he didn’t want them there, he could easily remove them.”

He also discussed how good members of the military can be and how there are opportunities for evangelism.

“If there were no Christians in the military, how would they instill love and discipline?” he said. “There are people pulled right from the ghetto who have nothing and who come into the military. And maybe their first supervisor is a Christian, and he takes them to the foot of the cross and leads them to Christianity, and they share that with their family, and you save generations.”

At Liberty, the military is considered a tool for Christian missionaries. But what, I asked, about killing people with drones?

“I can understand why some support [them], and I can understand why others don’t support [them]. Our job is to pray,” said Carentz, “and to understand that things will continue to get worse until Christ returns.”

Richard Emery obtained a bachelor’s in finance from Liberty and went to Afghanistan with the Air Force. But Emery left the military in 2010. He told me he was troubled by what he saw as a pursuit of vengeance rather than justice.

“I’ve thought about this a lot, how we’re supposed to be forgiving and yet fight wars against enemies,” he said. “We blame Osama bin Laden for what happened on Sept. 11; one time I was in Japan, and they had a picture of him in a urinal. You were supposed to pee on his face. I thought, ‘I don’t feel right about this.’ I’m not going after some kind of vendetta. I just want to bring justice. You’re supposed to be forgiving, but you’re supposed to do your job. I’m not going over there holding a grudge against Osama bin Laden. All the people we’re killing, you know, I’d like to see them get saved.”

“I have no problem taking another person’s life,” said Emery, “if it would promote peace and liberty and the interest of the country we’re in. I have no problem giving my life for it. I’d end up going to heaven, so it doesn’t really bother me. But it becomes a problem when I start to doubt what we’re there for.”

Emery proposed the nuclear bombing of Japan as a model for how Afghanistan should be handled. “It was painful, but we dropped a couple of atomic weapons and they quit fighting, and now Japan is one of our closest allies.”

Graduates of Liberty School of Aeronautics, Sojourners 32 Comments [7/5/2013 3:11:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Hasan Prishtina

Quote# 95336

I think you’re misunderstanding what Natalie (and most experts on racism) mean by “racism.” Racism is prejudice plus the institutional power to act on it. For many reasons, as well as the ones Natalie mentioned, “anti-white racism” in *modern Western society* is absurd. I don’t know what happened to you, so I can’t comment on it except to say that, while it may have been racially motivated, I think you need to ask yourself—what it institutionally condoned? Are there institutional barriers that prohibit you from seeking or getting justice for this crime? As you, as a white man who was the victim of this act of violence, at risk of being institutionally discriminated against for being white? Was the violence an incident of racial discrimination by an institutional force? If not, than it was not racist. It may have been prejudiced or race-motivated. That criteria does not make it racist.

Cyranothe2nd, ladyporn afficianado, Free Thought Blogs 54 Comments [7/5/2013 3:07:56 AM]
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Quote# 95333

We have seen the sodomites attacking business for refusing to provide a gay cake, gay bed and breakfast etc.,

I can see a Proposition exempting churches (Obamacare is already forcing christian businesses to provide their wicked "reproductive health" , passing, legislator being passed to circumvent or challenging their exempt status. The appeal court would ban the exemption, the governor would not appeal, and there would be no recourse based on the ruling today....

The people are getting the government they are voting for. The sodomites think this ruling was great today.

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We see a president who promotes tolerance, while ostercizing Christianity at every opportunity, mocking of the faith, twisting of the scripture and hateful of anything moral. He shows a disdain for anything American at every opportune time.

But too many are content with the pacifier the president has given them, all the while dismantling this once great, God fearing country.

Christians? We know it is all immoral. We see the divison of this country, the undermining of our constitutional rights (which leads to enslavement) to establish a country like so many have fled. We know a sinful nation is a reproach.

We also know judgment is coming. God foretold these times. God is the one in control- and He is the only peace to be found in these tumultuous times............

M4EVERHIS, Rapture Ready 32 Comments [7/5/2013 3:07:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 95331

The only good thing about this ruling is it makes it easier to want to leave this earth for our next glorious life. At 68 I really don't take to change that well and there have been so many changes in the last 10 years alone that have overwhelmed me that I am ready to go but of course will wait till the Lord calls me. I feel this all had to happen but being here seeing it happen breaks my heart. Anyone who thinks we aren't headed or already in the end times now is blind deaf and dumb. Our country had to go down in stature both in the world and in our hearts for the bible to be accurate. The person who delivered my RX's today wondered why I was so despondent and when I told her she said she is glad that they ruled the way they did and wanted to tell me why and I shut the door on her. I no longer want to hear a liberal persons reasons for anything anymore I see to much in the news already. We need to be in prayer for the people of the world who aren't believers they are the ones who will lose with all these changes God will take care of us even if we end up being here for all of the destruction that is to come. Pray for the rapture but be prepared for anything.

raml, Rapture Ready 26 Comments [7/5/2013 3:06:35 AM]
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Quote# 95330

I can't believe the people who continually profess a superior logic can't grasp things a 6th grade student can.

No God changing the law is not a contradiction. That should be the only thing that matters if you were really interested in contradictions. But seeing as you are just harping on God supposedly being flawed I have established that there is actually a logical reason for doing so. Just as Jesus denounced polygamy because of the corruption of the world. Just imagine how diseases like AIDS would spread with people having a 1000 wives. Now you are saying you know more than God because He should have said "no you can't marry your sister because hundreds of years from now genetics will cause birth defects." That's just insane especially at a time when incest was needed for humans to breed and practically everyone was a relative.

The real issue is that you have already decided the bible is rubbish and therefor it doesn't make sense. But you know if it's true it actually does make sense so your logic is a fallacy. You can dismiss this as "the usual" but if there's a flaw in your logic I will point it out. Wear the damn shoe. As usual I don't expect you to reply with a reasonable retort because you have none and will just waive it off again.

Swa, myBB 40 Comments [7/3/2013 6:42:17 PM]
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Submitted By: cyghost

Quote# 95329

SCOTUS today dehumanized supporters of natural marriage. Did the same thing to pro-family folks the Nazis did to Jews.

Bryan Fischer, Twitter 75 Comments [7/3/2013 6:41:52 PM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 95328

The lesson to be learned from the legality of interracial marriage is that just as the law must be blind with respect to the race of persons desiring to marry, so it must also be blind to the sexual orientation of persons desiring to marry. Just as persons desiring to marry cannot be discriminated against on the basis of their race, neither can they be discriminated against on the basis of their sexual orientation. When two persons ask the state for the right to marry, the state must ask no questions about their race or sexual orientation. Just as laws which would discriminate against persons’ marrying on the basis of their race are unconstitutional, so laws which would discriminate against persons’ marrying on the basis of their sexual orientation are unconstitutional.

That’s why the term “gay marriage” (which, I noticed, you were careful to avoid) is misconceived. Laws permitting gay marriage would be clearly unconstitutional, since they would not be blind to the sexual orientation of the persons involved. Such laws would sanction marriage for same-sex couples only if they were homosexuals, thereby taking cognizance of their sexual orientation and discriminating against heterosexuals who wanted to enter into marriage with someone of the same sex. To repeat: just as the law must be blind to the race of persons entering into marriage, so it must be blind to their sexual orientation. Laws sanctioning gay marriage would thus be unconstitutional (not to speak of unenforceable!). [Emphasis added]

So the laws governing marriage must have no reference to the sexual orientation of the persons involved. But that is precisely the situation of the status quo! Under the laws of the status quo no one is denied the right to enter into marriage because of his/her sexual orientation. Two heterosexuals, two homosexuals, or a heterosexual and a homosexual are free to marry, no questions asked, just as persons of different races are free to marry, no questions asked. What they are not free to do under federal law, whatever their race or orientation, is to enter into same sex marriage, simply because there is no such thing. Marriage is by its essence a relation between a man and a woman. But the sexual orientation of the persons involved, like their race, is a matter of complete indifference to the law.

So the legality of interracial marriage actually goes to support the current laws, which are indifferent to both the race and the sexual orientation of the persons involved. Those who want to re-define marriage in such a way that it need no longer be between a man and a woman need to come up with some other argument in support of that redefinition than the appeal to interracial marriage.

William Lane Craig, Reasonable Faith 65 Comments [7/3/2013 6:41:39 PM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 95327

Our Supreme Court just opened the door to more of the same. Could it be possible that one day marriage as an institution could be outlawed altogether? I believe that is part of Satan’s end-time strategy.

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We are in the latter times. We are in the end times even now. And some are indeed giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. Look at the likes of Rob Bell, with his “no hell” theology; John Crowder, with his distorted hypergrace messages; and Carlton Pearson, with his universalistic “gospel of inclusion.” Then there’s the false justice movement that talks about Jesus while holding Bible studies, worship meetings and performing good works—but it’s a different Jesus at the center. These are just a few of the doctrines of demons circulating through the church today that are leading us toward the end-time harlot church. [Emphasis original]

We are in the latter times. We are in the end times even now. And some are indeed speaking lies in hypocrisy. Some are indeed living with a seared conscience. So the question is, Will 1 Timothy 4:3 be the next part of this prophetic Scripture to come to pass? Will we see governments forbidding marriage? I believe it’s inevitable as we get closer to the Second Coming of Christ. I believe the institution of traditional marriage will come under attack in parts of the earth as the deceptive gay marriage agenda continues to gain momentum. [Emphasis orginal]

Jennifer LeClaire, Charisma News 29 Comments [7/3/2013 6:41:36 PM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar