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Quote# 96547



If you're going to have your HiE tell Celestia all about humanity, take the time to GET IT RIGHT. And not just the abridged whiny disaffected teen version of world history.

A few damn highlights:

1)America was not the only nation to own slaves. It was however the first (and thus far only) nation where the slave-owning class went to war to FREE the slaves. And as far as that goes, the Civil War was a hell of a lot more complicated than just Free vs Slave, too. (almost unknown factoid: while the North was chastising the south for owning slaves, it was whalloping the south with taxes and tariffs on the cotton trade--- most of the government revenue came from taxes on the South, and was spent mostly on the North. The north ALSO conspired to deny them representation, by declaring black people only worth 2/3 a white person in the Census... which decided how many Representatives the south got. LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT.) Muslims and africans, btw, still have slavery.

2)The crusades were not "Christian oppression," they were responses by the Christian nations to a massive, continent wide invasion of conquest by the Muslim nations. The trigger to the first Crusade was pleas for help from Christian cities in the Middle East that were being overrun by Muslim invaders.

3)Blather about "religious wars" should be followed up by a little reminder of what the humanist and atheist regimes got up to in the French Revolution, National Socialist Germany, the Soviet Union and Red China--- where more civilians were killed by their own governments (many of them for the counterrevolutionary crime of being religious) than were killed by all the holy wars in prior human history combined. Oh, and while you're at it--- Don't call religious people stupid for believing in a God, unless you're willing to spend equal time on the fact that its stupid to assume ponies worship Celestia as a goddess when she's had her ass handed to her at least three times already right in front of them.

4)Yes, America has fought in most every major war since its founding. Largely because the rest of you tossers won't leave us the hell alone. Had to fight a revolution just to get the brits to leave us alone. then 1812, we had to fight them again to get them to stop boarding our ships and kidnapping our sailors. then in the early 20th the kaiser started attacking our trade ships. Then in 1941 the japanese bomb our harbor. Then the soviets start trying to swallow up the world, so there we were in Korea and Vietnam, and posting OUR troops to protect everyone ELSE'S country. THAT goes by the wayside and the Arabs start flying planes into our buildings! Yes, we're warlike, because people keep waging WAR on us!

5)And in broader terms--- quit having Celestia act shocked that humans have wars. No ruler keeps a standing army around her castle just because she likes the pretty armor.

6)Setting aside the fact that witch trials aren't going to be really shocking to a species who lives in a world where genuine evil enchantresses exist, Salem was not the only place in the world where witches were tried and executed. For that matter, Christendom was late to the game in that regard--- and witch trials still take place in many pagan corners of the world. Quit getting your history from websites by pouty neopagan goth teenagers who think they're reincarnations of dark faeries from the Burning Times.

Just for once try and remember that for every unjust tyrant, cruel regime, hateful fanatic and evil person there were other people who opposed them, who stood in the light, who sacrificed themselves for other men's life and liberty. Humanity is not "Teh Suck," Okay? At least PRETEND to give your own nation, culture, race and species the benefit of the doubt!

The idiot who praises with enthusiastic tone

every century but this and every culture but his own

Oh I've got a little list, I've got a little list.... The Mikado


RealityCheck, fimfiction.net 43 Comments [9/16/2013 3:15:23 AM]
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Submitted By: FearsomeBob

Quote# 96546

[A young person has posted about their battle with terminal cancer and their doubt in heaven existing]

Well 1) is why you haven't had success. You lack faith questioning your path like you are. Jesus never lied. You have to have faith all the way for the miracles to happen.
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. (Matthew 14:25-33 KJV)

DigitalKing713, Reddit 19 Comments [9/16/2013 3:08:28 AM]
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Quote# 96543

[In answer to the question, "How would disproving evolution prove the existence of a specific god?]

First off I'm a very committed Christian.

Secondly I have studied the physics and maths behind the theory of evolution and can safely say that the idea of organic molecules becoming biological life violates the second law of thermodynamics.

Thirdly this in no way proves anything except the current theories regarding evolution are at least partly wrong.

As a scientist it really gets up my nose when people push theories on other people which have a basis that is patently and demonstrably wrong. It's no better than the church in some places insisting that the sun went round the earth when all the evidence pointed elsewhere.

Englyshe As She Is Spoke, Yahoo Answers 40 Comments [9/16/2013 3:04:50 AM]
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Quote# 96542

Six American organizations have signed a statement supporting Russia’s “gay propaganda law,” which criminalizes support of LGBT people and causes in any venue that might be accessible to minors.

The organizations join an international coalition of over 100 conservative groups that have lauded the legislation, claiming in the letter that it “protects innocence and moral formation of children by prohibiting propaganda of ‘non-traditional sexual relationships’ among them.”

The U.S. groups include World Congress of Families, the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute, Mission: America, GrasstopsUSA, Population Research Institute, and His Servants, a Christian organization. Larry Jacobs, managing director of the World Congress of Families, claimed the law is instrumental in protecting the health of children.

“All the law does is to prohibit advocacy aimed at involving minors in a lifestyle that would imperil their physical and moral health,” Jacobs said in a press release. “Even the U.S. Centers for Disease Control has shown that sexually transmitted diseases, drug use and suicide rates are significantly higher among what it discreetly calls a ‘sexual minority.’ CDC data also demonstrates that there is much greater health risks among teenagers who practice homosexuality than those who do not engage in homosexual behavior."

Larry Jacobs, Advocate 17 Comments [9/16/2013 3:04:16 AM]
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Submitted By: Aspergus

Quote# 96535

I got a question over at The Red Pill reddit, and thought it best to expand here. What is the Red Pill for women? A lot of it is the opposite of the feminist crap we hear in media and from our former hippy moms. So here’s my list, feel free to comment with any additions you may think of.

1) Our looks matter. Femininity attracts masculinity. Deep down we all know this, but sometimes the siren song of “Just be yourself! He should love you for you!” overrides something that seems so obvious. And sometimes it’s just plain laziness. See: all the women and girls who go shopping in pajama pants and flip flops. A Red Pill lady strives to always look her best, for herself and the gentleman whose arm she’s holding. She never leaves the house without makeup. She works out to keep herself fit.

2) We are aware of The Wall. We don’t stay pretty forever. Again, we know this deep down, but see #1. We are certainly aware of new grey hairs, new wrinkles, sagging skin. But movies and television tells us that it’s perfectly reasonable to expect to have a ton of guys chasing us in our late 30's/early 40's. Eat Pray Love, right? The Red Pill woman acknowledges this, and realizes that the grass is NOT greener on the other side once she’s married. “Leaving to find yourself” has dire consequences… As in, you leave to find yourself alone. Or with someone who is a severe downgrade. There is no rich, handsome doctor to attach yourself to. There is no happy ending to this scenario. But we don’t despair, because of Wife Goggles, and because of #1. We are MILFs because we make ourselves such. (Or Cougars perhaps, for those who choose the kidless route!)

3) Sexual promiscuity has consequences.When you’ve spent your 20's in and out of every bed in town, it makes having a happy, successful marriage very hard. If you happened to fall for one of those bad boys, and he set your Alpha mark at a very high level, the man you settle down with is screwed. He’ll never be able to live up to that ideal you’ve stored in your head. Not only that, but giving yourself to so many men dulls your ability to really connect sexually with another human being, and the sexual connection you share with your husband is important, perhaps most important. Because sex is what makes a marriage marriage, isn’t it? Without sex, marriage is just an expensive, complicated friendship.

4) We are emotional creatures. This can sometimes make us illogical. We tend to think with our hearts, and we’re encouraged to do so. How many times did we hear “Follow your heart!” when we were growing up? The “You Go Girl” mentality runs rampant. Red Pill ladies try to overrule their more whimsical desires to consider the consequences of following their heart. This ties in closely with #3.

5) We can’t “do it all”. When our moms told us that, they were setting us up for failure. No one can do it all. You cannot have enough time for both an overly demanding full-time career and a family. One will suffer. We have been set up for failure if we try. If your career can’t handle days off for sick kids, getting out early for snow days when school is cancelled, and a significant amount of maternity leave, you’re in for a hard time. See A Letter to my Daughter.

6) Men don’t WANT us to “do it all”. We’ve been told career is important, but men don’t give a lick if you’re an uber successful doctor if you’re at work 70 hours a week. In fact, it can be a detriment to the marriage. If you’re working so many hours that you can’t spend any time together, there’s no way that demanding job is a +1 in the “Awesome Wife” column. Red pill women realize that money and power from our careers don’t buy marital happiness. Sometimes a job is necessary given the circumstances, but it isn’t the necessity it’s made out to be.

7) Sex is necessary for marriage. If you fool around all through your twenties then settle down, you don’t get to cut your man off from your vagina without some consequences. There’s a fine line here that requires some communication though. The reason a lot of women end up cutting off the vagina-fun-zone is because they’re no longer attracted to their man. If that happens, it is absolutely a Red Pill Woman’s responsibility to initiate a State of the Marriage talk to fix it, if her husband hasn’t taken the initiative to do it himself. Follow the Two Week Rule.

8) Our men are our Captains. We voice our opinions, and certainly speak up if we think strongly about a particular topic, but the Captain has the bridge and makes the final call. This is a big, huge, sticky subject for most women. Hell, it’s still a sticky subject for me. But in terms of a dance, if both people are leading, you end up stepping on each others’ feet constantly. A dance only works when the man takes his woman’s hand, guides her body effortlessly, and she gracefully follows. He is conscious of every movement of her body, and she his. She melts into him and accepts his movements as her own. Her submissiveness and his dominance meld into a graceful, sensual display.

9) We are aware of hypergamy, and take these measures to counter it. We know the rules of attraction, isolation, and escalation. If we are married, we never allow ourselves into a situation where the second two can occur. Girls Night Out to the club is anathema. No lunch dates with male friends. We keep male “friends” at arm’s length, if at all. “It just happened” is never an excuse.

Note: I come at this angle from that of marriage and kids, so I’m leaving out some things when it comes to being single and not having kids. Obviously if two people don’t want kids (which is absolutely fine, no judgment from me), they shouldn’t have them, and a red pill woman would be all about carrying her financial weight with


The red pill wife, Red pill wifery 65 Comments [9/14/2013 1:11:08 PM]
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Quote# 96527

Let's start with a reasonable disclaimer before entering the description of the kingdom repeatedly promised by scripture to arrive with the return of Christ. Science is not intrinsically bad, it has untold befits for mankind and it will until the return of the Lord.

It is human pride that spoils science. Man discovers a few of the elements and facts of God's creation, but forgets, or in most cases, simply refuses to acknowledge God. Rather the new found knowledge builds their own ego, reputation, grant and funding powers and general prestige among their peers and the public. Little wonder the godless of this world are referred to as the children of pride. (Job 41 34) Unfortunately the father of the children of pride just happens to be the god of this world, otherwise known as Satan.

We are reminded that those touting the importance of a high IQ are the same people who don't even acknowledge that Satan exists. Since he is the one guiding their secular world in total (Lk 4: 5, 6) just how smart is that. When you are laboring under a worldwide pervasive deception under the 'father of lies' (Jn 8: 44) a high IQ doesn't count for much of anything.

The everything from nothing evolutionists and the Gene Rodenberry crowd that fantasizes 'warp speed' to overcome the mind boggling distances in space may think they are brilliant, but it is more the case of their being rocketed on their way by pride and secularism's best rant, with little chance of a return trip without a major catharsis to turn them around. Momentum is powerful, but it is hardly wisdom.

Here is a bit of wisdom. This conclusion is entirely accurate and scripturally sound although it is unlikely to be believed by today's high IQs and prideful secularists. Scientists are both welcome in the millennial kingdom and beyond and they will be as honored and welcomed there – but their profession will not be needed, at all!

Michael Bresciani, Renew America 38 Comments [9/14/2013 8:47:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 96524

When I looked at those battleships going into the Mediterranean, supposedly getting ready for battle in Syria, I couldn’t help think about all the stories I’ve read about how women now are in the ranks of the Navy, getting pregnant at exponential numbers; when I think about the folding in and the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and the homosexual takeover of so much of our military I’m not sure how effective those naval ships will be.

Sandy Rios, Right Wing Watch 47 Comments [9/14/2013 8:46:17 AM]
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Submitted By: Zagen30

Quote# 96512

There seems to be a certain histrionic flair in the male feminist, which suggests to me that they do in fact identify with women on some deep personal level.

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[Skepticism is] a masculine attitude, and entirely natural.

W. F. Price, The Spearhead 47 Comments [9/13/2013 3:23:32 AM]
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Quote# 96508

People who become atheists do so because they got picked on in high school. Rummage through an atheist's emotional baggage and you will find a pile of leftover teenage angst, a few cases of repressed rage at mommy and daddy, and an overpowering urge to feel superior wrapped around a stupendous amount of self-loathing. Ultimately the "atheist movement" is just another Internet fad, mostly made up of attention whores, sycophants, stupid arrogant twats, bigots, as$holes, and demagogues.
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Evidence

Hog Warsh, Yahoo Answers 67 Comments [9/13/2013 3:21:55 AM]
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Quote# 96507

In the Christian worldview, death and suffering make sense; they are a partial taste of the punishment we all deserve for our high treason against God. It’s a wonderful example of justice. A better question would be, “Why is it that only some people suffer only some of the time, when we are all wicked sinners?” The answer involves God’s mercy. Remember, God only punishes the wicked (with one exception – and He volunteered).

Jason Lisle, Jason Lisle's blog 66 Comments [9/12/2013 3:26:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 96503

I believe that Tim Tebow has been targeted by upper level decision makers in the NFL to never be able to succeed. This guy was and is a real winner. Always has been. In college if he was against you then you had a long hard row to hoe to win against him. I remember being on the losing side a few times against him. Then in the NFL I do believe he was 9-1, I guess that is why they let him go!!?? Brought to the Jets and never even given a shot and let go. Then picked up by the Patriots, held until the very last moment, throws two touchdowns, and let go. I believe they will continue to keep him on the outside looking in because he professes his religion openly. If he were to shut his mouth he might stand a chance. The NFL is not going to allow a Christian hero...

zman61, The Blaze 54 Comments [9/12/2013 3:24:16 AM]
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Submitted By: Dewey Cheatham

Quote# 96502

We have arrived. Shame on you, America. Our children – our adults – are depraved. They are 'occupied' by envy. They attack innocent people, beating and killing them for sport. They murder one another in the streets without love or mercy. They disobey, gossip, slander and hate God. They are insolent, arrogant, boastful 'little monsters.' They invent ways of doing evil. Hannah Montana is what America once was. MTV Miley is America today. She 'evolved' because we 'evolved.' You saw it on display. It’s ugly. It’s Satanic.

Matt Barber, Joe. My. God. 49 Comments [9/12/2013 3:23:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 96500

I note that the links between Nazism and modern Jihad, both in tone and approach, are numerous enough to be noteworthy. The Jihadist approach to the West is informed and influenced by agitprop victimology street-thuggery tactics developed and perfected by Hitler and other leftists.

You are correct that the Left regards Hitler as Right, and that the Left regards the Right as a bigger threat than the Jihad, and so is happy to combine with them against a mutual foe. I am not so condescending as to attribute to stupidity what can be with fewer assumptions be ascribed to sin. The desire to be God is pride -- and, no, the Left may lack a metaphysic to define and justify this desire, but neither do they place any weight on definitions and justice, only in the desire. The fact that there is no God in a materialist universe does not stop materialists from wanting to be Gods, or, at least, superhumans who live beyond good and evil and ergo are allowed to continue to visit their whores.

Speaking as an intelligent man who intellect is corrupted by pride myself, let me affirm that the appeal of reckless, self-destructive pride as a temptation is not one I would underestimate.

John C. Wright, John C. Wright's Journal 44 Comments [9/12/2013 3:22:06 AM]
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Submitted By: David

Quote# 96497

Dear President Putin, On behalf of millions of Americans and Canadians who are concerned about the seemingly unstoppable spread of homosexuality in our countries and internationally, I wish to respectfully express my heartfelt gratitude that your nation has take a firm and unequivocal stand against this scourge by banning homosexualist propaganda in Russia. You have set an example of moral leadership that has shamed the governments of Western Europe and North America and inspired the peoples of the world. Already Lithuania, Moldova, Hungary and the Ukraine have begun to follow your principled example, and you have engendered real hope in the international pro-family movement that this destructive and degrading sexual agenda might finally begin to be brought to a halt across the globe.

Scott Lively, Joe. My. God. 41 Comments [9/12/2013 3:20:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Aspergus

Quote# 96487

Dealing with godless morons is not worth the effort. It is axiomatic that God created the world:

“For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.” Hebrews 3:4.

Any clown who denies this and calls himself an “atheist” is announcing his own dishonesty. Why would anybody waste time conversing with liars?

There is only one scientific statement on origins in existence, which is as follows:

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” Genesis 1:1.

Any other statement than that is unscientific nonsense.

(1) It’s not scientific to say, “there is no creation, everything is an illusion” because if you act on that belief and get behind the wheel of a car, you’ll be dead before you’ve gone 10 blocks across town. You can’t live and drive through red-lights at 100 miles per hour – it can’t be done. If you claim everything is an illusion, you’re either dead or a hypocrite who refuses act on your beliefs.

(2) It’s not scientific to say “the universe came from nothing without God” because the LAW of the Conservation of Matter and Energy which dictates that the sum total of matter and energy remains fixed. Ergo, nothing remains nothing, it doesn’t suddenly become a universe! It’s non-scientific baloney to claim everything in the universe just popped into existence – because that can’t be done according to the scientific laws that govern the natural universe.

(3) It’s not scientific to say, “the universe has always existed” because of the LAW of Entropy which dictates that everything goes to equilibrium over time. The universe is not a uniformly cold, grey, static suspension of motionless ashes – but that’s exactly the heat-death it would suffer if it had always existed. Only a non-scientific nutcase would claim that the universe is eternal because he’d have to ignore the LAW of Entropy that governs the natural world.

Numbers 1, 2, and 3 are all unscientific. There is only 1 other possibility. Because it is the only remaining possibility – and any other solutions are logical impossible – it must be accepted as the true answer. Thus by the deductive scientific principle of process of elimination we can dogmatically assert as absolute truth:

(4) The universe was Created Supernaturally.

Therefore supernatural forces are not conjecture, myth, and ghost stories – but a bedrock truth that underlies the existence of our entire universe. And of course, it is not the realm of science to make known who that supernatural Creator is; that is the realm of religion. Therefore science – which deals with the natural world – has to step aside when it comes to studying ultimate truth and knowledge. The scientists are all out of their league – they are babies when it comes to understanding reality. Every experiment and test and calculation of natural forces that they conduct will never give them an understanding of that which is supernatural – and yet the supernatural created everything.

This is check-mate. But the lying atheists won’t admit it because they know where it next leads – it leads to them being called into account and judged by God for their sin. This is because anybody who thinks he is self-righteous, and doesn’t have guilt before his Creator, is without excuse since he knows he has broken the law and commandments written on his heart and mind.

MackQuigley, The MackQuigley Report 48 Comments [9/12/2013 3:18:30 AM]
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Quote# 96485

(FSTDT won the coin flip this time.)

How is it Cain was able to get a wife after he already left his home and went into the land of the East? It is suggested that Cain married a daughter of Adam and Eve and that incest was permissible at this early stage of human history. Nevertheless, prior to Cain’s departure no mention was made of Adam and Eve giving birth to any daughters, in fact, their third son Seth had not even been born yet (Genesis 4:25). If other sons of God existed, then it would explain where Cain got his wife in the land of the east.

Note too this verse: “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” Genesis 6:3. He also is flesh? Who else is flesh in this comparison?

The little word “also” is very instructive. The verse seems to indicate that God’s spirit attempted to govern the other races of “sons of God” but they were too flesh-driven; yet God had hoped to maintain a relationship with those of Adam’s seed and strove to do so for a long time, but gave up because Adam’s line “also” got corrupted by becoming too flesh-obsessed,and this due especially to their racial miscegenation.

12. Can a human being have an altered state of consciousness in which they experience a s*****l relationship with an angel/demon that seems real but is not literal? How can one tell the difference? Are angels/demons able to implant suggestive and potent imagery into human minds?

Ok, the “Discernment Group” is getting more and more sensational, lurid, and coarse with the types of questions they are asking. What is the “Discernment Group” planning on doing with all this information, are they going to attempt to write a “Kama-Sutra” for Nephilim? Yikes, I’ve had enough.

Of course, the ones who are promoting the Nephilim nonsense (that is, the alleged existence of invisible demons that try to impregnate women) are the ones to blame for inviting salacious questions of this nature. They are inventing a weird mythology that has nothing to do with reality.

The question I would ask is, if all these Nephilim babies have been born, then please show us the giants in the land … (hint: go to an NBA game).

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4.

Notice: The giants arose “when” i.e., exactly when, meaning this was the cause, when the sons of God “came in unto” i.e., they copulated with the fair women, and “the same” i.e., the mulatto offspring that arose when this happened, i.e., because of this happening, then those offspring became the mighty men. The statement “and also after that” implies that the giants are these offspring since their first fathers would have died in the flood., i.e., the sons of God produced these initial offspring, some of which happened to be giants, and yet giants kept showing up in even after the flood, i.e., certain progeny identified with Ham – see Deut 2:11, 20; 3:11-13, etc.

Does any of this mean that Blacks can’t get saved? Of course not, black souls certainly can be saved. In fact, one of the first New Testament gentiles saved was an Ethiopian, but take careful note – he was a eunuch: “a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians” Acts 8:27. Saved men can come from all races at the present time because their souls are saved and they will get new bodies at the rapture. However, the line of Ham will not continue on into eternity; it will dead-end when those Black who survived the tribulation, and who are found worthy to enter the millennial kingdom, being allowed to enter, but only as eunuchs – see, Matthew 19:12, Isaiah 56:4-5. (“there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.” Zechariah 14:21; “Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.” Isaiah 14:21 (cf. Gen.4:17))

MackQuigley, The MackQuigley Report 44 Comments [9/12/2013 3:03:00 AM]
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Quote# 96480

What difference could it possibly make what one random collection of electrons does to another? He harbors some subjective notion that things ought not be done that way? Well tough darts. It boils down to his meaningless assertion vs. their equally meaningless one. Furthermore, if there is no such thing as free will, then what sense does it make to blame anyone for any action whatsoever? "I felt like it" or "I couldn't help myself" should be considered perfectly reasonable defenses to any "wrong-doing." In fact, the most sensible and logically consistent outgrowth of the atheist worldview should be permission to get for one's self whatever one's heart desires at any moment (assuming that you can get away with it). Why not have that affair? Why not take a few bucks from the Alzheimer victim's purse -- as it can not possibly have any meaning either way. Did not Richard Dawkins teach us that selfishness was built into our very genes? To live a "moral" life, the atheist must choose to live a willful illusion as the true nature of the world contains, as Dawkins suggests, "no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." It boggles the mind how anyone with this worldview even bothers to get up in the morning only to suffer through another bleak and meaningless day. Freud summed this up well when he said, "the moment a man questions the meaning and value of life he is sick, since objectively neither has any existence."

In an '07 lecture at Sewanee University, Christopher Hitchens gave an oxymoronically entitled talk called "The Moral Necessity of Atheism." In it, he argued that racism was illogical due to our common "relationship to ground worms and other creatures." An original case for equality to be sure. In as much as we're all like earthworms we really ought to treat each other well. Strange. Is not Hitchens an ardent supporter of the tenets of Neo-Darwinism that necessitates the perpetual death struggle within all species at all times? Shouldn't he in fact believe the precise opposite of what he claims? Survival of the fittest does not suggest social harmony. Furthermore, doesn't Darwinism suggest that certain groups within a given population will develop beneficial mutations, essentially making them "better" than other groups? It would seem that racism would again be a natural conclusion of this worldview -- quite unlike the theistic approach which would suggest that people have intrinsic value do to their creation in the "image of God." (Hat tip: Moshe Averick, Nonsense of a High Order) And yet, like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens is very often engaged in explaining "morality" to the world. What gives?

At the end of the day, the reason that I can agree with many of the moral assertions that these atheists make is because they are not truly outgrowths of their purported philosophies, but rather of mine. I would suspect that the great majority of the atheistic understanding of morality comes directly or indirectly from what is commonly referred to as the Judeo-Christian ethic. I have not yet found an atheist who is willing to follow his or her convictions through to their logical conclusions (outside of sociopaths like Jeffrey Dahmer who was at least honest enough to say, "I always believed the theory of evolution as truth that we all just came from the slime ... if a person doesn't think there is a God to be accountable to then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?"

Through my private conversations with atheists, most of whom I would describe as very good people, I am becoming convinced that they don't really buy the party line when it comes to ethics. Like it or not, they seem to have an objective sense that certain things are "just wrong" and it's almost as if those things are built into the fabric of reality. Objective morality requires an absolute standard by which to judge it. The alternative is amorality. As Dr. Joel Marks said, "the long and short of it is that I became convinced that atheism implies amorality; and since I am an atheist, I must therefore embrace amorality..."

Rabbi Adam Jacobs, The Huffington Post 65 Comments [9/11/2013 3:20:29 AM]
Fundie Index: 30

Quote# 96463

I'm pretty sure you lost your foreskin, so you're already sold into the cult... you have no right to talk, you lost your first head and live in fear of losing your other head. you chop up your kids to turn them into filthy little shits like you. you barely deserve life... infact god damned you to hell already and only through the mercy of christ did you find a chance to spit your bullshit. YOU DESERVE YOUR HOLOCAUSTS WHILE YOU INSULT THE MEN WHO CUTOFF YOUR FIRST HEAD YOU LITTLE BITCH! YOU WERE NOT MADE THAT WAY AND UPHOLD MAN MADE LIES FOR YOUR PHALLIC WORSHIP! WHEN YOU SUFFER YOU WILL KNOW IT IS BECAUSE YOU WERE CRAFTED BY MAN TO SUFFER FOR YOUR SINS AGAINST GOD! FUCK YOU FOR ALL TIME KIKE! YOUR MAN MADE IDEALS OF INTELLIGENCE DAMN YOU! YOU WILL FACE MORTALITY FOR YOUR SINS AND YOUR KIDS WILL CRY TO YOU AND YOU WILL HAVE TO BEAR THAT AS BURDEN FOR YOUR SHIT FILLED SOUL! YOU BETRAYED YOUR CREATOR! YOUR OPINIONS ARE WORTHLESS, KIKE! JESUS IS YOUR KING FOR LIFE!

youfighttheuniverse, Reddit 93 Comments [9/10/2013 3:29:58 AM]
Fundie Index: 67

Quote# 96462

he's god, he's everywhere forever.

[some 14 other gods would say otherwise.]


none of them can undo death, that's why jesus is all truth and you're just a bitch. fuck you forever stupid bitch. you aren't a man, you killed man to cling to life. fuck you kike! you are a shame to existence. you aren't smart, you aren't cute, you aren't funny... you shouldn't be allowed to talk, betrayer... you should be smacked and crucified like jesus. He is the only thing protecting you, rotten wench. remember that when you want equal rights... fucking whores!

youfighttheuniverse, Reddit 61 Comments [9/10/2013 3:22:10 AM]
Fundie Index: 41

Quote# 96460

My definition of smart:

A child who asks the teacher why the theory of evolution is being taught as though it were fact.

Philpy1976, Christian Forums 58 Comments [9/10/2013 3:21:42 AM]
Fundie Index: 33
Submitted By: JustinGG

Quote# 96459

Look at the history of pagan religions, many of them have goddesses the worship. Islam and catholicism have something in common, a great respect for Myriam as she is known in islam, or Mary as we know her. Many of you have heard of "our lady of Fatima". It was a demon in the form of Mary which appeared a number of times to 3 children in Portugal in 1917. What many of you don't know is that Fatima is the name of Muhammad's daughter by his first wife.

Versimilitude, Rapture Ready 32 Comments [9/10/2013 3:21:30 AM]
Fundie Index: 22
Submitted By: documentingtehcrazy

Quote# 96455

[Disusing the Bible story where children are mauled by bears for making fun of Elisha:]

You need to be tied to a chair and forced to watch "Children of the Corn" over and over until your eyes bleed, idiot. 42 people old enough to know how to insult a prophet of God will tear anyone who isn't armed with a machinegun and lots of bullets to shreds. While you're out collecting manure for your next post, feel free to explain what a group of 42+ "harmless young children" were doing out of the city.

Darth Executor, Theology Web 67 Comments [9/9/2013 3:32:05 AM]
Fundie Index: 53
Submitted By: David

Quote# 96453

[Disusing the Bible story where children are mauled by bears for making fun of Elisha:]

No, they didn't just call someone baldy - did you actually read the passage in the Bible or are you using a comic strip as your source material?

There were mocking a prophet of G_d and that act carries with it a very huge cost. If you'd care to actually read the passage they were challenging his authority - kids old enough to challenge authority are old enough to suffer the consequences of that challenge.

Meh_Gerbil, Theology Web 40 Comments [9/9/2013 3:30:22 AM]
Fundie Index: 40

Quote# 96452

I've always wondered why a couple of bears mauling some kids is such a big deal with skeptics. I admit it is awful - the mindset that G_d isn't allow to judge people is incomprehesible to me.

Meh_Gerbil, Theology Web 36 Comments [9/9/2013 3:28:50 AM]
Fundie Index: 45
Submitted By: David

Quote# 96449

The left, which is godless and serves Satan, has an agenda. To accomplish their agenda they have to get idiots, morons, numbnuts to do stupid things so the focus will be on them and not on the libs, not on the leftists. Jews, homosexuals, blacks, gays, Islamists, you may think they’re disparate groups, they’re not, they’re all tools. Because while we’re mad at these two punks, we’re mad at Trayvon Martin, that thug that deserves to be dead and I’m glad he’s dead.

Pieces of crap, homosexuals like what’s that one guy’s name? [Dan] Savage. That faggot. That horrible, awful, terrible excuse for a human being who is at the White House promoting attacks on Christians. I hope he dies — he probably will — of every disease known. By the way, I’m sending him a fire hydrant for his birthday, I’m hoping he’ll sit on it; he’ll slide all the way down to the ground. Sorry fire hydrant fans, I don’t mean to insult fire hydrants.

At any rate, do you understand what I’m saying here? These groups are being recruited. Environmentalists, nuclear freeze, it doesn’t make a difference what group it is. If you put anything ahead of doing what’s right in God’s eyes, or better yet ignoring the reality of God, then you’re a tool, you’re a useful idiot.

Stan Solomon, Right Wing Watch 54 Comments [9/9/2013 3:28:08 AM]
Fundie Index: 47
Submitted By: Zagen30
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