Quote# 111919

(On being accused of constantly cutting and pasting the same three atheist quotes from Dawkins, Provine and Ruse out of context)

Well, I am going to cut and paste these three quotes over and over again until every atheist I encounter has seen them at least once, and realizes the nihilism of atheism. Under that view, you are an accident whose lifespan is maybe 80 years. After that, you cease to exist, and eventually, the universe dies a slow cold death in darkness. Your existence will matter not one whit, so neither did the SCOTUS ruling or any objective purpose, meaning, or morality that you fabricate in order to delude yourself. You may pretend all you want, but you are just delud ing yourself. So, you cannot say, under your view, that anything is objectively "wrong" (including homophobia) without acknowledging the existence of an Objective Standard, or God. If you disagree, just take it up with your "pope" and "cardinals."
“Is there a God? No.
What is the nature of reality? What physics says it is.
What is the purpose of the universe? There is none.
What is the meaning of life? Ditto.
Why am I here? Just dumb luck.
Is there a soul? Are you kidding?
Is there free will? Not a chance!
What is the difference between right/wrong,
good/bad? There is no moral difference between them… So much for the meaning of history, and everything else we care about… you will have to be comfortable with a certain amoun t of nihilism . . . . And just in case there’s always Prozac.” -- Alex P. Rosenberg

WorldGoneCrazy, Christian News Network 21 Comments [8/17/2015 10:34:17 AM]
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Quote# 111918

(in response to Anon-e-moose telling Jerry to prove God exists)

To Anon:

We don't have anything to prove to you. Nothing. Nada. Not a thing. We're to tell you the Truth. If you're of the Elect, you'll hear. If not, you'll burn.

You are evil and depraved, the worst of the worst. When you satanists look at yourselves in the mirror, you ought to see yourselves for what you really are--absolute lowest scum, utter trash, worthless and despicable. Jesus hates you (Ps. 5:5), workers of iniquity! (Rom 1:18-32)

But it doesn't have to be this way. There is a way for all of you to cleanse your minds, bodies, and souls of the filth and TOTAL DEPRAVITY of sin. Accept Jesus, and know truth, peace, and normal clean and happy life. Or burn in filth and in Hell. The choice is yours.

In the name of the Lord,
Jerry

Jerry, FSTDT comments 46 Comments [8/17/2015 10:33:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 111917

Christians in general, and Catholics in particular, are portrayed as puritanical and anti-sex. This raises a question: if Catholics hate sex so much, then why did they historically tend to have so many children? As recently as 100 years ago, child rearing was considered the proper object of marriage and sex. The blue pill script – go to college, get a good salaried job, marry young and for life, have two or three kids – retains its staying power because it used to be sound advice. The manosphere exists in part because it is sound advice no longer.

Pope Paul VI, who reigned from 1963 to 1978, was in many ways a weak and vacillating man. His predecessor, Pope John XXIII, described then Cardinal Giovanni Battista Montini as, “our Hamlet,” always indecisive to the last. In an uncharacteristically bold move, he published the encyclical letter Humanae Vitae in 1968 that reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s opposition to all forms of artificial contraception.

At this point, many RoK readers may be thinking, “I’m sure this is terribly interesting to you Levinson, but I’m not a Catholic and the pill and the condom have been great for my sex life. Why should I care about this?” You should care because Paul VI called it: the easy availability of contraceptives paved the way for no-fault divorce, unleashed hypergamy, and sodomite “marriage.”

Marriage Then

Most of us take atomistic individualism for granted, in contrast to the ancient understanding of man as the political animal. “Who are you to say what two consenting adults can and cannot do in private?” is taken to be an unanswerable rejoinder to traditional understandings of sex and marriage. Sex seldom remains a purely private affair, especially in the era of social media. Among other things, sex can lead to love, marriage, hate, murder, children, disease, happy homes, broken homes, social cohesion and social disintegration.

As Pope Paul described it:

"Married love is also faithful and exclusive of all other, and this until death. This is how husband and wife understood it on the day on which, fully aware of what they were doing, they freely vowed themselves to one another in marriage. Though this fidelity of husband and wife sometimes presents difficulties, no one has the right to assert that it is impossible; it is, on the contrary, always honorable and meritorious. The example of countless married couples proves not only that fidelity is in accord with the nature of marriage, but also that it is the source of profound and enduring happiness."

In other words, marriage was once considered a more public institution than it is today, not through legislation but through social convention. Young men were incentivized to make themselves good husband material if they wanted sex and children. Young women were encouraged to remain chaste and marry young. Divorce was unthinkable for our great-grandparents. Then, as now, women were much more ruthless about slut shaming than men.

Above all, marriage was ordered toward children:

"Finally, this love is fecund. It is not confined wholly to the loving interchange of husband and wife; it also contrives to go beyond this to bring new life into being. “Marriage and conjugal love are by their nature ordained toward the procreation and education of children. Children are really the supreme gift of marriage and contribute in the highest degree to their parents’ welfare."

Marriage Now

In paragraph 17, Pope Paul predicts the consequences of the contraceptive mentality:

"Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law [emphasis mine – AL], and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection."

Players and sluts ye shall always have with you, but the world now incentivizes us to be this way. Men must constantly perform or else their unhaaaappy wives will blow up the marriage for cash and prizes. That is, if men choose to marry at all. Fewer do, and in all honesty, I can hardly blame them. Why should they? If they want sex, they can find plenty of willing ladies provided they have even a modicum of game, and they won’t have to risk losing their homes, their jobs, their children, and their sanity in the divorce grinder.

Women too have grown to devalue men. Would the carousel exist to the extent that it does if it weren’t for the pill? If they can have consequence-free sex, then they will pursue the apex alphas and ditch the frustrated betas who were the good husbands and providers of yesteryear. Women are more exquisitely sensitive to social pressure than men, and the social cues that existed in our great-grandparents day aren’t there anymore.

The key here is that artificial contraception radically separated marriage and sex from child rearing. Marriage used to be a recognized public institution that carried with it certain legal and social obligations to which the couple was expected to conform. If children are removed from the occasion, then marriage becomes all about romantic feelings.

Fuzzy Feels Are Optional

If marriage is nothing but a public declaration of romantic feelings, then two consequences follow: if the feelings go away, that’s a legitimate reason to end the marriage; and if sodomites have romantic feelings for each other, then what reason do we have to exclude them from marriage?

Traditionally, Christianity has taught that if you burn with lust, you should marry. The specific woman you married was a question of prudence like choosing a career or a new house. Nowhere did the Church say that God had created “the one” or your soulmate. Unfortunately, this thinking has infiltrated all Christian churches today with disastrous consequences.

Jesus Christ famously prohibited divorce in the Gospels but many Christian churches have creative methods for getting around that. In theory, the Catholic Church has stood strong alone among all Christians. Strictly speaking, she does not recognize divorce but she makes “declarations of nullity,” which means a couple never formed a sacramental marriage at the time of their wedding vows. The American Catholic Church in particular has been handing out annulments like candy for fifty years, so it’s understandable why outsiders think of them as Catholic divorces.

The Basis Of Civilization

The building block of civilized society is not the individual but the family. The great evil of our time is that our progressive overlords actively undermine the family at every turn. My tradcon friends vacillate between believing game is either a placebo or a set of irresistible Jedi mind tricks cads use to deflower innocent virgins. The media wonders why young men refuse to grow up, man up, and marry those sluts. I say the men of today are responding rationally to the incentives of a world gone mad.

Be honest gentlemen: if Marriage 1.0 were still the rule instead of the exception, how many of you would happily marry? The contraceptive regime radically disrupted the natural formation of families. Sex became an end in itself. From that conviction came the scourge of pornography. The logical conclusion is the development of sex bots. And an elderly, celibate Italian bishop saw it all coming more clearly than all of the experts.

Andrew Levinson, Return of Kings 12 Comments [8/17/2015 10:33:25 AM]
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Quote# 111913

[From a book titled "The Garbage Generation" hosted on the linked website]

What IBM thinks of as the promotion of equality is better understood as the undermining of hypergamy, one of the pillars of the patriarchal system. Hypergamy, or the "marriage gradient," means that women "marry up," men "marry down." A cinder girl may hope to marry Prince Charming, but a chimney sweep cannot hope to marry Princess Charming. A male doctor might well marry a female nurse, but a female doctor would hardly consider marrying a male nurse. The female nurse may be underpaid, but in the marriage market her prospects are better than those of the female doctor because there are more desirable males she can hope to "marry up" to.

...

IBM's question implies that society's arrangements tilt in favor of males. The fact is that society's arrangements produce more male winners and more male losers. One principal reason for the success of the male winners is the knowledge that they might well be losers: they must earn their success and are motivated to earn it partly by the greater risk of failure. IBM proposes to intervene in society's arrangements to confer benefits on females which will increase the number of female winners without increasing the number of female losers. What will increase is the number of male losers, since the male engineers will be competing not only with each other but with females enjoying a conferred advantage denied to males. Another question:

WHICH ONE WILL BE PRIVILEGED TO ATTAIN STATUS BY MARRIAGE AND WHICH ONE WILL HAVE TO EARN IT FOR HIMSELF/HERSELF BY WORK AND SELF-DISCIPLINE?

With IBM interfering with "market forces" this question might have to be re-worded: "attain status by marriage or by IBM's largess." As IBM offers women more status, marriage has less to offer them-- men have less to offer them. Men's marriageability is decreased because they have relatively less to offer women; women's marriageability is decreased because they have fewer men to "marry up" to. As IBM transfers status from those more dependent on work and self-discipline to those less dependent on work and self- discipline, men will become less motivated, since the rewards for work and self-discipline are reduced. The effect, though at a higher level of income, will be what is observable in the ghetto, where women enjoying the handouts of the welfare bureaucracy and become economically and status-wise independent of men, with the consequence that large numbers of men become de-motivated and less marriageable.

Two more questions:

WHICH ONE IS MORE LIKELY TO DIVORCE HIS/HER SPOUSE? WHICH ONE WILL HAVE HIS/HER LIKELIHOOD OF DIVORCE INCREASED BY A FACTOR OF FIVE IF HE/SHE IS EDUCATED AND ECONOMICALLY INDEPENDENT?

...

Let's project IBM's program into the future. Let's suppose the wearers of the blue and pink booties grow up and both become engineers. Then:

WHICH ENGINEER IS MORE LIKELY TO BE CHILDLESS?

IF BOTH MARRY, WHICH IS LIKELY TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM HIS/HER SUPERIOR EDUCATION?

Virginia Woolf thought as IBM thinks: families would make great sacrifices to educate their sons, few sacrifices to educate their daughters. She failed to understand the reason: education enables sons to have families, to provide for wives and children who would benefit from the sons' education economically and by the transmission of the knowledge and the values embodied in the education. Educating daughters does not enable them to provide for husbands, and greatly decreases likelihood of their having stable marriages. The birthrate of educated women is far lower than the birthrate of educated men. (Ms. Woolf herself was childless, as are most feminists.) What Bernard Lentz says of professional men and women of the period l890-l940 is true of other eras:

Even for the "superperformers" [the most successful professional women]...marriage still led to diminished success, resentment, and a distracting tension in their personal lives. In contrast, men at this time found marriage had numerous advantages in their climb up the professional hierarchy....

Ergo, society has a greater interest in encouraging and furthering the education of males. Educating a boy enables him to have and to support a family, to give children an advantage in life, to transmit family values and strengthen the patriarchy, to create social stability. Educating a girl enables her to escape marriage, or if she marries, to escape childbearing or to have a smaller family. Education, which increases her independence, will enable her more easily to expel her husband and inflict upon her offspring (whose custody is virtually guaranteed her) the disadvantages accompanying fatherlessness. Feminists see these options as desirable, but why should IBM or the rest of us see them as desirable?

...

Feminist-economist Dr. Barbara Bergmann offers a little paradigm-story about Pink People and Blue People earning their living by picking berries on an island. Like women and men in our own society the Pinks and Blues have sex-segregated occupations. Dr. Bergmann thus illustrates "the crucial point":

If a group is segregated and furthermore is crowded into a relatively narrow segment of labor-market turf, its members will as a result be less productive, and their economic rewards will be lower.

(It is a sufficient refutation of this to point out that Senators are a segregated group occupying a narrow segment of the labor-market turf, but they do not suffer from low economic rewards.)

...

If men cannot outperform women they will not perform at all, and society will be lucky if male energies are merely wasted in narcissistic display rather than in disruptive violence and machismo. A man with nothing to offer a woman save a paycheck the size of her own is impossibly disadvantaged. He will know, and his wife will know that he knows, that the words "I don't need you, Mister" are always at her disposal and, thanks to the anti-male bias of the divorce court, she has an authority in the family greater than his own. Patriarchal capitalism prospers because it creates an arena of work wherein males are allowed to succeed and create wealth and where they are motivated to do so and rewarded for doing so by the satisfactions of family living.

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Ms. Wattleton's pitch for "reproductive rights" and Dr. Bergmann's pitch for taking better jobs away from men to confer them on women come to the same thing: men are excluded from meaningful participation in reproduction. Men become superfluous members of families. The basis of civilized society is that men shall share equally in reproductive decision-making, and shall earn the right to do so by working. The program of feminism is to deny men this right by undermining the sexual constitution, the Legitimacy Principle, marriage and the family. When they talk about women's reproductive rights and about making women economically independent of men, this is what they mean.

Daniel Amneus, Fish Eaters 23 Comments [8/17/2015 3:29:13 AM]
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Quote# 111909

If you are serious about pleasing God in life, you need to discard this ridiculous notion of self-help. While people say you are a powerhouse of potential who just needs to learn how to flip on your own switch, God says you’re an impotent dot of a creature who can’t do bumpkus without Him. Self-help encourages a mentality of self-reliance and autonomy. Such a focus is going to lead you far astray from where you need to be.

The truth is that you don’t get any say about how sweet your experience of this world will be. God is the One calling the shots in your life whether you acknowledge Him or not. He is the One controlling your circumstances, health, and overall comfort. God says that the only choice you really have is in deciding how much you’re going to submit to Him in life. He doesn’t make any promises that if you submit to Him, He’ll respond by making your life one big bowl of pitted cherries. God isn’t into this tit for tat game that we humans are so fond of. He doesn’t say, “If you toss five bucks into the offering plate Sunday morning, I’ll respond by giving you $500.” He says, “I’m the King. I give commands, not suggestions. If you defy Me, I’m going to make you very sorry.”

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 23 Comments [8/17/2015 3:26:54 AM]
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Quote# 111908

Submission is when we embrace God as the Supreme Authority in our lives. We decide that what He says goes simply because He is the One saying it. His claims might sound false to us, and we might not be able to emotionally connect with them, but in spite of these things, we choose to practice submission by embracing what He says.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 16 Comments [8/17/2015 3:17:55 AM]
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Quote# 111906

(Still, the question now is how we'll move on and develop into a more equitable and innovative society.)

Why would you want to though?

Look at what has happened to the developed world when it has embraced such ideas, do you think that Singapore would fare any better if it embraced progressivism with is weak social/national unity and large muslim minority?

But that's what it'll end up as. At first you will say to yourselves that only the poorest and most deserving will receive welfare. The problem is that in a democracy, what ends up happening is that political parties compete for votes, and people that would like to receive welfare money is always greater in number than the number of people who would be put off by the government offering welfare money to others. So the opposition party puts something sensible like yours on the table in order to differentiate themselves from their opponents and in time the ruling party has to match the offer or exceed the opposition proposal or concede the poor vote to the opposition. Which they can't afford to do because like I said previously, the number of people who want to receive shit from the government will always outnumber those that don't want anybody to receive anything from the government. Makes sense for political parties to court and attempt to win over the demographic of greater number, which is all that matters in an election. It is not something I can see ending well once you start off on that path. My only advice would be to not to help them via cash or overt favouritism.

Read up on neoreaction and the dark enlightenment, this is where I got these ideas from.

MarlyBarrow, /r/AsianMasculinity/ 12 Comments [8/17/2015 3:17:34 AM]
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Quote# 111905

Progressivism is what is causing the herbivore situation in Japan.

Japanese women want a rich husband to take care of them.

The herbs refuse to work 60 hr weeks to obtain such a status and thus drop out of society.

Female empowerment leads to them having ridiculous expectations for a spouse. (e.g: China)

(You agree that the west's progressivism is further than Asia's, right? Why is it that in the west, a marriage where men's income is lower than women's is more socially acceptable and possible than Asia's? This is all about breaking out of the mentality that men SHOULD be the beta provider as a matter of fact. We need to progress faster, not get stuck in our old shit.)

But thats not what women want

No matter how much society is accepting of it, they will ALWAYS want a man that has more resources than they do.

Even if they marry a man who makes less than they do, as soon as she meets a 6'4" investment banker she will jump ship in a heartbeat.

Trying to fix hypergamy is just impossible, don't even bother.

Ohi2you, /r/AsianMasculinity/ 11 Comments [8/17/2015 3:17:15 AM]
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Quote# 111903

THIS IS NO LIE! This just happened to me today!

I posted 5 anti Khazar Zionist WORM parasite posts protesting their usurping of Cuba, trying to destroy the Iran deal, and starting "S" between Japan/China and within literally 15 seconds ALL 5 posts all on different stories ALL received the magic 9 thumbs down to remove the comment from view!

The dream police they live inside of my head-the thought police-man-you're better off dead!

Oh and there's no denying they have tried to WORM up my computer to with viruses - Haaa - how sociopathetic of them!

Zionien, Real Jew News 15 Comments [8/17/2015 3:08:45 AM]
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Quote# 111902

Holmes avoided the death penalty by using the Liberal Regressive Tree Hugger Strategy. It works like this, you have a vote and when it doesn't turn out the way you like, you have another vote and if you still don't get the result you want, you have a third vote. This process goes on and on, relentlessly, until people are worn down, finally cry uncle and give in. It has worked with Election Results. It worked with Gay Marriage. It worked with Abortion. The Liberals may be sly, sneaky, lying sob's, but they do get results!

Mark S, Yahoo! Comments 13 Comments [8/17/2015 3:08:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Yuu

Quote# 111901

You think Palestianins called them self Palestianins? No! there is no letter P in the Arabic Alphbeth! afcourse these folks back in the time of David were not believers…there were Pagans!

In_GOD_We_Trust, Real Jew News 20 Comments [8/17/2015 3:08:26 AM]
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Quote# 111900

The one delusion among Christians today is that Jews are the chosen people. If they realise Jews are the Devil's people who believe in Metatron and Lucifer, not the one true God, then WOW it will really be time for Jews to leave all positions of power.

Asamana, Real Jew News 18 Comments [8/17/2015 3:08:18 AM]
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Quote# 111899

I live in Cincinnati, and for the past 15 years I've been observing this free rag called "City Beat" magazine that is distributed to the supermarkets, public libraries, etc. every week.

I've always suspected that "City Beat" is a Zionist-communist Jew rag being used to undermine the Christian communities in Cincinnati with a huge emphasis on "gay rights," "multiculturalism," and the phony "war on terror."

This week, "City Beat" has a large featured article about Bernie Sanders. Instead of any criticism, it's an essay based on adoration for a creep that has always promoted "gay rights" as well as portraying him as a righteous demonizer of Arabs and Muslims who calls Vladimir Putin a dangerous man.

This essay promotes yet another "wolf in sheep's clothing" who wants total destruction of Christianity in Europe, the United States and Russia.

Sanders wants endless genocidal wars between Christians and Muslims and Arabs while blaming 911 on cave Arabs who couldn't fly Cessnas when all evidence points to it being a Zonist-communist Jew job.

He promotes homosexuals as wonderful people (a lot of them are promiscuous pedophiles) and "women's rights" (hating heterosexual males and having abortions on demand).

Seek The Truth, Real Jew News 15 Comments [8/17/2015 3:08:11 AM]
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Quote# 111894

[ on his wife faced with a dangerous pregnancy]

I would go against her wishes to save the child. But I would do it out of love for life, I would take on the resposibilities of being a father and provider for all my children. I love my wife the same as I love my children I love my faith more though. And to do what my God wants me to do is what I would do. I don’t kill any any fashion, I would not be Killing my wife I would be letting her Die. There is a big difference. I just would not have told her that if thats what she wished

bgraphics, life discussions 19 Comments [8/17/2015 3:06:43 AM]
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Quote# 111889

I have never heard of a person who was "proud" to have an illness. A pedophile who remains chaste is the same as a homosexual who remains chaste there is no sin. It is when they engage in sex that it becomes sin and there is not a bit of difference between them. When you state that it is not a sin to be a homosexual that does not engage in it you are correct but that is equally true of a pedophile. It makes no difference who is hurt. I would postulate that there is no such thing as a sin not being harmful. Homosexual acts hurt the people involved. Look what it has done to our country. There is movement similar to the beginning of homosexuals to make pedophilia acceptable. I disagree strongly that it hurts no one. Do you believe committing a mortal sin doesn't hurt you?

adrift, Catholic answer forum  31 Comments [8/16/2015 10:34:35 AM]
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Submitted By: Mary

Quote# 111880

It is clear that musicians, beginning in the 1960's, have been recruited to make a deal with Satan in exchange for fame and fortune. Literally, the Luciferian leaders of this evil world came to the musicians through their representatives and told them that if they would sell their souls to Satan, then they would become famous and rise to the top. This explains why there is a preponderance of blasphemy against God in music, and has been since the 1960's. With such evil bands as “God Smack” and “Judas Priest” this truth cannot be denied. Ozzy Osbourne produced an entire album in tribute to the most infamous Satanist of the 20th century, Aleister Crowley. Ozzy has featured the pagan god, PAN, on every album cover of OzzFest since the year 2000. Pan is revered by witches, satanists, and occultists.

Even Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys said they were trying to make witchcraft music. Truth is stranger than fiction. SHAKIRA horribly attacks God and accuses him of being a malign thug. The Rolling Stones wickedly sing, YOU'LL NEVER MAKE A SAINT OF ME. The EAGLES sing A GOOD DAY IN HELL. If you do a study on the religious content in secular music, it is shocking to find that Satan is praised and God is attacked prevalently in music. It's not just music, it's people expressing their views about life and God, and their views are wicked. How could anyone deny the existence of God when there is massive amounts of spiritual content permeating everything in society today. It is abundantly clear that there is a raging spiritual battle between the forces of God and Satan in the world today.

Pink Floyd led a generation of American youth into rebellion against God; making them slaves of the New World Order. Don't you understand my friend, everyone is somebody's slave. If you don't want a good God to rule over you, then you will be enslaved to a cruel Devil.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 31 Comments [8/16/2015 10:30:55 AM]
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Quote# 111875

I believe that the equating of Protestantism and Christianity in the minds of many people has been one of the greatest victories of Satan in recent times. It is a major contributing factor to the spread of the sin of religious indifferentism and liberalism. It also helps prevent Protestants from recognizing their errors because they mistakenly think that they are just like the Christians which are called Christians in Holy Scripture. And if it is indeed true that Protestants rarely called themselves Protestants, then they are constantly deceiving themselves (which plays into Satan's hands).

The corollary of this truth is that Catholics may NOT be called Catholic Christians. Roman Catholics are Christians and Christians are Roman Catholics. To use the term Catholic Christian is a redundancy and the adjective Catholic makes it seem as though there is some other type of Christian (or that there is in fact more than one type of Christian). Although thankfully, to my knowledge, not in widespread use, it is not unknown for Protestantism to be called Protestant Christianity.

This corollary is very important because while it may be less damning than calling Protestants Christians (at least a material heresy), I believe that it is much more subtle. No less an important and orthodox a personage as Fr. Michael Muller has used this phrase (in his famous work The Catholic Dogma: Extra Ecclesiam Nullus Omnino Salvatur).

While it is true that Catholics are Christians, in these times I believe that the best policy is to identify yourself as a true Roman Catholic because most people who do call themselves Christians are Protestant and it is not good to support Protestantism by affirming whomever you are talking to in their errors by given them an illusion that you support their errors because you seem to believe them as well. Unfortunately, even calling yourself a true Roman Catholic nowadays can be ambiguous (as many sedevacantists, etc. do), but hopefully a typical follow-up question, "So where do you go to church?" will give you the opportunity to proclaim your beliefs and perhaps spread the gospel.

To conclude, it is vitally important that you never call or even think of Protestants as Christians. If somehow through the force of habit you slip up, correct yourself in your mind because this is the path to religious indifferentism and may indicate the taint of liberalism.

stthomasaquinas, Catholic Action Chatboard 20 Comments [8/16/2015 5:04:42 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 111872

[From thread titled "So Man Made Global Warming is True, says antipope Francis!"]

Very good articles, Thank you.

Another falsehood bandied around is "that there are too many people in the world". The plethora of non-believers in the world do not understand that it was God's will that man fill the earth. Therefore as it is the will of God that this occur he would not have created the systems that we humans call Mother Nature to not cope with countless billions of humans we now have.

Climate has changed, it is caused by man, but not his economic or industrial activity, but his turning away from Christ and his only true church. Mother nature is rebelling at the magnitude of sin in the world, not because of 7 billion humans or our industrial activities.

Strangely enough the records that Al Gore and his band use show that the climate has been showing signs of change since the 1960's. Well Guess what happened in 1958 to the church? Is it really a surprise that things are changing. Things will change more and get even worse as we have been warned.

spirit4u, Catholic Action Chatboard 30 Comments [8/16/2015 4:57:46 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 111871

I expressed in a letter to our constituents last month that I continue to grieve over the U.S. Supreme Court decision handed down on June 26, 2015. This ruling, called Obergefell, redefined natural marriage and expanded the legal definition of this 5,000 year-old institution to include same-sex unions. We are convinced that this unconstitutional decision, issued by five unelected, unaccountable and imperious Justices, will ultimately prove to be as catastrophic as Dred Scott v. Sanford in 1857 and Roe v. Wade in 1973. It will touch every dimension of culture. Let me explain.

Several days after the Supreme Court struck this dagger into the heart of the American family, I was lying in bed one night contemplating its meaning. Suddenly, the significance of Obergefell hit me like a clap of thunder. I understood in a new way the black clouds that had hovered over me for weeks. I threw the covers off my side of the bed and hurried to my desk. In the next few minutes, I wrote what I want to convey to you now.

This Court decision is not about same-sex marriage, except only tangentially. Many gay and lesbian groups have admitted that marriage has never been their primary objective. Instead, it is about everything else. What’s at stake is the entire culture war. To begin, it is an expression of hostility toward people who take their Christianity seriously. As you probably know, certain groups and organizations hate us. It is about weakening the Church of Jesus Christ and limiting what pastors and ministers can say and do publically. It is about undermining the religious liberties of Christians that are guaranteed by the Constitution. It is about attacking Christian schools, Christian non-profit organizations such as Family Talk, and Christian businesses, hospitals, charities, and seminaries. It is about Christian colleges and universities, and about whom their leaders choose as professors and what their students will be taught. It’s about government funding and accreditation. It is all at risk. You’ll see.

Obergefell will also result in God-fearing laymen being dragged into court for trumped-up charges, such as those thrown at Aaron and Melissa Klein, who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony. Melissa has, by the way, not only been fined $135,000 for this “offense,” but has now been slapped with a gag order so she can’t even tell her side of the story. What ever happened to freedom of speech?

To continue, the Human Rights Campaign has recently sponsored HR 3185, which is beyond belief. It would allow gay and lesbian activists to persecute Americans in virtually every area of society, including employment, housing and public accommodations, credit, and dozens of other areas of civil life.

There is almost no limit to what will be imposed on the American public as a result of Obergefell. There is every indication that a barrage of court cases has been pre-planned and will be implemented against those who dare to disagree with the government’s view of marriage. Some will lose their jobs for failing to knuckle under.

Some will lose their professional licenses. Some will be persecuted, ridiculed and fined. Some will go to prison. After all, the Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex marriage is an inviolable Constitutional right that will trump other liberties considered untouchable for more than 200 years.

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Obergefell will give broad access to our children and future generations. Why do you think the Boy Scouts of America have been coerced and harassed for more than two decades to allow homosexual men to serve as Scout leaders? Predictably, just days ago, the BSA National Executive Board ratified a resolution that removes the national restriction on openly gay adult leaders and employees. Girl Scouts gained that access years ago, and many of their leaders are lesbians who run significant programs. You won’t believe what they are teaching little girls.

The outrage continues. I grieve over what will happen to kids in public schools. They will be taught that right is wrong and wrong is right, and that the teachings of Scripture are unreliable and inaccurate. How unthinkable it is that in some states kindergartners, barely out of babyhood, are being taught adult perverse behavior that should never be discussed in the classroom. Soon, publishers of public school textbooks throughout the country will have to re-write and re-illustrate materials to make them conform to the demands of Obergefell. It matters not that these revisions will contradict the beliefs and convictions of Christian parents. It has already become the law of the land in some states.

Anything activists can dream up could be imposed on our children by liberal judges. LGBT propaganda will be blatantly taught to wide-eyed kids who are too young to understand how they are being manipulated. There is no consideration that the messages given will contradict the beliefs and convictions of millions of parents. The wishes of moms and dads will have been overridden and superseded by five Justices who have a better plan for their kids.

This is not the first time in recent history that children have been used as pawns in the hands of tyrants.
I’m reminded of the words of German dictator, Adolf Hitler, spoken as war in Europe approached. He said, “Your child belongs to us already . . . what are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community.”

James Dobson, Family Talk 20 Comments [8/16/2015 4:51:30 AM]
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Quote# 111870

[Thread titled "How to Survive in a Modernist High School"]

Hello forum.

I love the Catholic Church! And I want to be in Her forever, as a priest.

However the world has presented me some difficulties. I go to a Novus Ordo Modernist Diocesan high school a the order of my parents.
This school of 700 teenagers is full of immodesty, heretical theology classes that deny the Miracles in the Bible and the Second Coming, sexual perversion, liturgical mayhem(It is bad by Novus Ordo standards), a rabid pro choice movement, and teachers who are Novus Ordo, Mormons, protestants, and Freemasons. The biology teacher who had Masonic documents in his possession teaches evolution and naturalism. The English teacher openly supports socialism and gay rights, abortion, and feminism. The school's chaplain preaches about woman's ordination and feminism, and is, from what I can tell, most likely a Freemason. The people there mock my desire to be a priest, be Catholic, they mock my praying, my rosary that I have, my reading of the Bible. They mock that I am pro life, pro marriage, pro family, pro chastity. Immodesty in clothes, thoughts, words, and actions, vulgar language, swearing, perverted jokes and discussions, drugs, smoking, alcohol, are all present.
My parents are aware fully that it is bad, but they think a public school would be worse(and they are probably right) and they don't want to homeschool.

Now, through the Grace of God and my consecration to the Immaculate Heart, I have been exploring traditional Catholicism.

What can I do to survive? How can I live through the theology classes, the liturgical abuses, the ecclesiastical freemasonry, my parents wanting me to attend there, the teachers in heretical cults, the ideological poisoning of the mind, the profanity? How do I keep from having my own mind poisoned? What prayers or devotions, actions, or research should I undertake to help me out with this situation?
Thank you!
PAX
Isaac

ialsop, Catholic Action Chatboard 26 Comments [8/16/2015 4:49:37 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 111869

The Satanists are more in the open now as they were in pre-Christian times. Now they have the science and technology, provided by Catholic culture over the centuries, to exterminate everyone as their leader compels them to do.

The Scouts are building a Satanic and self serving character, in opposition to Christ. The service to country is a traitorous service to the owners of the money supply, the banks, the Satanists.

tlm, Catholic Action Chatboard 15 Comments [8/16/2015 4:48:38 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 111868

America is again being diverted away from another treasonous act by this administration: the “Iran nuke deal,” which is nothing more than appeasement through funding and enabling militarily America’s sworn enemies. Treason, treason and more treason.

Let me cut to the chase here. If what was happening in this country was happening in a foreign country, the people in this country would have called for military strikes, as well as an all-out manhunt for the dictators that were guilty of the same things Barack Hussein Obama and his criminal administration are guilty of here in America. Yet, because it is happening here, the people have somehow deceived themselves into believing that what they have allowed is not as bad as what is happening over in Third World countries. What is even worse is that as long as there are smiles and the reciting of the word “Constitution,” the American people are set at ease only to set themselves up for the next act of treason. But as long as he is smiling …

I was humored the other day when an individual said to me, “Bradlee, you are so bold and harsh at times!” (Romans 8:14; Hebrews 1:7; Psalm 104:4; Proverbs 28:1) I said, “Really? It is the command of God, concerning the church people, to warn people that the house (of sin) is on fire, and they need to get out lest they perish! (Ezekiel 33:3; 2 Corinthians 5:11).”

I reminded this person that the Word of The Lord is like a fire, “like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces” (Jeremiah 23:29). The end result is to hopefully bring forth “repentance toward God and Faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 20:21; Galatians 3:24). The church is to magnify God’s Law (Isaiah 42:21) while the Holy Ghost comes to “convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment” (John 16:8).

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I went on to tell the individual I was speaking with that, on the contrary, the people in this country have been conditioned to believe that the one who sets the house on fire (encourages and acts out transgressions against God's and America's constitutional laws), endangering all within, figuratively speaking, while flattering, lying, smiling and kissing up about the state of the country, is somehow the individual that is looking out for the good of the people within. Remember, Judas betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss (Luke 22:48).

No, these are the characteristics of how dictators act. They destroy through policy and prosper by craft. They magnify themselves in their own hearts and by false peace they shall destroy many. They even stand up against The Prince of princes, and at length shall be broken without hand (Daniel 8:25).

"A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it, and a flattering mouth worketh ruin." – Proverbs 26:28

This only takes place when a people throws off God's Law and America's founding documents and gives a free hand to the destroyer (John 10:10). This is a point no one can deny in America today.

Furthermore dictators have a smile on their face as they go along not to offend, but to appease – that is, until he obtains the power he desires. Then he can dictate by force.

I finally communicated to the individual I was speaking to, "You fail to understand that the rule of force will bring forth war, and the rule of law brings forth peace; I mean to warn you to get back to God's government so it does not come to that!"

"There is nothing stable but Heaven and The Constitution." – President James Buchanan

Be it known, America, that you have been warned time and time again concerning the corruption in your government and churches, which is God's mercy (Luke 12:2). Yet, you have done nothing to appease God's wrath by bringing forth judgment upon the heads of the wicked.

Bradlee Dean, WND 15 Comments [8/16/2015 4:48:03 AM]
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Quote# 111864

[Another poster has recounted finding moundlike huts in the woods homeless people have been living in, and BumblingBear suggests that the inhabitants don't like steel. A third poster asks BumblingBear if he thought they were fairies.]

Indeed.

I don't truly fear anything anymore, but I have a healthy dose of respect for spirits and the wee people ... if they are not related.

I keep a shotgun handy for human predators and a named sword with Psalm 144:1 etched on it by a Bible for predators of the supernatural variety.

BumblingBear, Survivalist Boards 23 Comments [8/16/2015 4:37:49 AM]
Fundie Index: 13
Submitted By: documentingtehcrazy

Quote# 111863

God Laughs At Your Rape

The men of this generation have sought love in lustful ways. Pastors watch pornography, the stats say 9 out of 10, while they preach to their congregation about how God’s love covers all sin and iniquity regardless of being sin willful or not, forgiven or not. The spirituality of the pastor has trickled down to the flock and has ultimately infected the entire world. The result is the United States’ largest export is pornography.

The infection is the objectification of women. Women are now just walking vaginas, a pair of breasts to look at, legs to gawk at. As men’s gaze fall upon them, women feel the need to become the disease. So they put too much make-up on, inject and have surgery done on their breasts, butts, lips, and who knows what else. They do all this to prove to God that what he has given them is not enough. Biblical marriage is enough for me. One woman for life is enough to satisfy. One woman who keeps the jewels of herself to her husband. One who relies on her husband as a strong tower to dwell, rather than a pulpit to cast others down or raise herself up on.

The bible is enough knowledge for a lifetime. Virginity till marriage is enough self-control. These people have stripped their self-respect. They are destroying the lives of the women and men that watch and defiling each other whether it be on the Internet, at a strip club, or at a video store. It’s like they are running from the natural love they should have. The men of this generation are consumed in the destruction of women.

Most men are pigs; most women are mindless objects. There were guys that brought their girlfriends out. Each girlfriend that day saw how she could never satisfy the lust of the boy she was with. She realized she was not attractive enough for his needs. She realized she was not as much of a whore as her boyfriend wanted in her. But once they become sluts, men are no longer attracted.

God Laughs At Your RAPE!

Proverbs 1:26-28 (KJV)

26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

As a Christian I believe God sees these women for the cougars they are, they seek to kill and destroy mens lives. Their families, many an honorable woman has been undermined by these whores.

Rape is a part of the pornography industry, many of these girls “FANS” wait for just the right moment. Or these women get drunk then someone goes in to rape them. Or its part of some sick porno film.

God looks down from his kingdom, and after all the wisdom, mercy, and knowledge. These whores still try to destroy men… and for that

God laughs at their and any other sluts RAPE

He mocks at them saying…

Its just another lay, just another one night stand, its just that “consent” wasn’t there.

You deserved it

You weren’t even a good rape victim

Maybe Bill Cosby would Rape you

I know you want it,

You said no but your body said YES!

Rape isn’t that Bad

As the rape drug settles in, as the fear of what may happen sets, God smiles. The porn girl, the whore, a slut calls out to God in desperation crying and weeping only to hear the Laugh of our almighty God during her RAPE.

God Laughs when these women get AIDS, God laughs when these porn duds retain gonorrhea. God will laugh when the genital warts burn on the thighs that enticed so many men.

Dean Saxton, Open Air Preaching with Brother Dean 36 Comments [8/16/2015 4:37:35 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 111855

(in response to the Indian government ordering Internet service providers to block access to 857 pornography websites that had been singled out by an anti-pornography activist)

I congratulate the Indian government on this move. There is nothing worse for men than porn and masturbation. If I could, I'd break the fingers of any decent men I see caught masturbating.

Why? Because your penis is a weapon. It must ejaculate in a woman. Jacking off is much more harmful than most drugs, as it destroys penile sensitivity and is aiming to make a zombie out of you.

No wonder the libtards here are so angry at this - they want zombiefied man masturbating while thugs with brains of orangutans and no inhibitions go around raping women. This libtards have no problem with. They have problem with decent men fulfilling their natural urges.

caamib, FSTDT comments 141 Comments [8/16/2015 4:28:35 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris