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Quote# 112071

(The green part is a quote from elsewhere, included in Elizium23's post.)
2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."
To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

The case against masturbation is not solely based on Onan's sin. It is, of course, a strong argument for its Scriptural basis, but the primary principle here is stated in the Catechism. "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." This is a consistent and logical application of Divine Law to human sexuality. From this principle we also condemn sodomy, homosexuality, adultery, fornication, pedophilia, sexual fetishes, BDSM, and the like.

Elizium23, Catholic Answers 21 Comments [8/21/2015 3:35:32 AM]
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Quote# 112070

There is no such thing as "pornography addiction". The problem is the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes, two of the three primary Sin issues in humanity. These things will continue to exist, even if a person abstains from pornography. There are many types of visual stimuli that can feed these lusts, and pornography is simply one of them. While it's a fine idea to not offer pornography in hotel rooms, it won't stop the Sin from existing. Teaching people they are "addicted to pornography" is simply giving them a half-Truth, which is a Lie. Only the Truth can set people free from Sin, and only by following Jesus (the) Christ can people know the Truth.

FoJC_Forever, Christian News Network 14 Comments [8/21/2015 3:35:24 AM]
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Quote# 112069

(in response to "news" story "Atheists File Complaint Over Judge Who Offered Marrying Girl, Copying Scripture as Jail Alternative"):

Ah, look at all the Christian website stalking trolls up in arms over a simple verse of scripture! A simple quote from a piece of literature!
And comparing it to Islam and the Koran! Adorable! :)

Relax atheistic religitards. It's called wisdom. And it came from a book. (Oh no! Oh no!)
Had he not actually referenced the book of Proverbs or simply reworked the wording to some degree you wouldn't be convulsively frothing at the mouth right now and pulling erratically on your own hair.

Wisdom. If you dig a pit, you might very well fall into it. AKA, you will suffer the consequences of your own actions. Make good choices and you will STAY OUT OF TROUBLE. Period. Nothing more to see here folks. Yawn.

Liberal atheist extremists for you. Desperately at war with a God they don't even believe exists. Heck, they'll even stalk Christian websites FULLTIME, day in and day out, 24 freakin' 7. Yeah, that's not crazy. ;)


The Last Trump, Christian News Network 19 Comments [8/21/2015 3:32:09 AM]
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Quote# 112068

[Bolding mine]

A Florida couple have been arrested for allegedly turning a 13-year-old girl into their sex slave and sealing her off from the outside world for more than five years.

Rob Johnson, 44, and his wife, Marie Johnson, 43, from Port St. Lucie, took in the then 13-year-old girl to live with them after her mother died.

Soon after her arrival the teenager was told that she could only be part of the family if she had sex with the couple, according to the Port St. Lucie Police Department.

The pair were arrested on Tuesday and charged with felony sexual assault charges.

The girl told investigators that she was forced to call Rob “master,” and that Marie Johnson had pushed her against a wall and held her by her throat until she agreed to the meet the sexual demands.

She also said that she was beaten when she failed to follow the couple’s directions or complete her chores.

The girl, who has not been identified, said that the abuse happened repeatedly for five years until she was 18 years old.

According to police, throughout this time Rob Johnson held Sunday school classes for his family at their home, invoking Old Testament Bible Passages to justify the couple's actions.

Police said that the girl, now aged 21, was home schooled, not allowed to use the phone and forced to rehearse what to say to doctors if she was ever asked about her sexual activity.

Rob Johnson and Marie Johnson, The Independent 19 Comments [8/21/2015 3:31:52 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 112067

If you think of conservatism as mainly "anti-liberal," you'll get suckered by political cons who sound mad enough to "do something"

Samuel James, Twitter 9 Comments [8/21/2015 3:31:41 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 112064

Yet, when some encourage the ignorant to vote, there is method to their madness. The people I speak of do in fact care about the "process," it's just that their process -- that "systematic series of actions directed to some end" -- probably isn't the same as yours. This is because they seek a very different end: The attainment of power.
The people I refer to are liberals.
It's well known that the greater the voter turn-out, the more likely it is that liberal politicians will prevail. Thus, liberals reason that low turn-out is bad because it's bad for them. This, of course, means it's good for America.
Many will bristle at what I've said, but just take a look at how liberals plumb the depths of the barrel for votes. They want convicts and the homeless (many of whom are mentally ill, a perfect leftist constituency) to vote; they aggressively get out the vote in urban wastelands, their strongholds, which are plagued by crime, drug use and high abortion rate. Liberals in California were even advocating pubescents' suffrage: Giving 14-year-olds the right to cast ballots. So, it's funny. It used to be said that the Democrats were the party of the common man. The truth is that they're the party of the uncommon man.
And there is an irony here, one I'd like to ask our liberal friends about. I know you believe you're much smarter than we traditionalists, as you often attribute the embrace of our ideology to stupidity. I was, in fact, once told by a certain bit-part, liberal actor (forgive the redundancy) that I just wasn't as "evolved" as he was.
Thus, I wonder about something. How is it that, with few exceptions, the more degraded, immoral, criminally inclined, immature, and ignorant voters are, the better it is for liberal candidates? If these normally apathetic people are in fact voting correctly, as you liberals assert, to what do you attribute it? Beginners luck? And does this make you liberals question your ideology at all? Does it make you think, even for a moment, that maybe you're on the wrong side?
I won't hold my breath waiting for a good answer, but I will mention another irony. Liberals are completely taken with gun control; some of them even say that no one but the police should own firearms. Yet they believe that people too irresponsible to have their finger on the trigger should influence the choice of who will have his finger on the button.

Selwyn Duke, American Thinker 13 Comments [8/21/2015 3:29:22 AM]
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Quote# 112061

Female Rule or Male Rule simply whether society decides to set its norms and laws based on male views or female views.

For example, in modern Western society, we now have cases of Female Rule. This means that female norms, rules and laws have supplanted male rules, laws and norms.

Female Rule: Western Society Amidst the Ruins
Various insane things have resulted since Female Rule has begun in the West:

1. A man goes to jail if he ever hits any female for any reason, apparently even if she is threatening his life. A woman may strike a man as many times as she wishes, but if a man hits back even one time, he is going to jail. In other words, if a woman hits a man, he has no right to hit her back. If she hits him 100 times, he has no right to hit her back. If he hits her back, he’s going to jail.

2. Sexual harassment. Female geniuses have now succeeded in making it so that if a man flirts with a woman, looks at a woman or asks a woman out at work, this is “sexual harassment,” and the man will be fired from his job. Apparently the goal here is to eliminate men flirting with women, men looking at women and men asking out women from the workplace.

3. Alimony. If a woman divorces a man after 5 years of marriage, she still gets 50% of his income for the rest of her life. Why should she have that right. This is insanity.

4. Rape. On California college campuses, males accused of rape incredibly are regarded as guilty until proven innocent. Men must somehow prove that they did not commit the rape. Every sex act must receive approval before it is done. If you touch her tits, you have to ask her permission first. If you kiss her, you have to ask her, “Can I kiss you?” and she has to say, “Yes.” If you have sex with a woman and she never utters one single word of protest to your advances, then this still may be rape as “silence is no longer consent.” So you can still be charged with rape even a woman never said no because you could not read her mind and figure out that she was thinking she didn’t want to do it.

In the UK, all males charged with rape are now guilty until proven innocent. Silence is not considered to be consent, a man can still commit rape even if a woman never said no because he wasn’t able to read her mind and figure out she didn’t want to do it.

Sweden now has the 3rd highest rape rate on Earth not because there are many rapes in Sweden. Actually there are few rapes in Sweden and the true rape rate is low as it has always been. However, Sweden has now been taken over by feminist lunatics who have installed the craziest rape laws the world has ever seen. Hence many sex acts and behaviors which were once legal are now considered to be “rape.” Tell a woman you are going to use a condom and then have with her without one? In Sweden that is called “rape.” Many other behaviors that are neither rape nor even illegal in 99% of the world are considered “rape” in Sweden.

5. Pedophile Mass Hysteria, a moral panic, has been directly caused by Female Rule. Because of this irrational moral panic, solid majorities of Americans now believe many an insane thing. Apparently most Americans believe these things are true:

A man who is aroused by teenage girls is a “pedophile” who belongs in prison.
A man who has sexual fantasies about teenage girls is a “pedophile” who belongs in prison.
A man who says he thinks about or feels like he wants to have sex with teenage girls is a “pedophile” who belongs in prison.
Sexually speaking, a 13-17 year old girl is the same thing as a 7-11 year old girl, a “child.”
Being aroused by a 13-17 year old girl is the same thing as being aroused by a 7-11 year old girl.
Teenage girls are “children” who are somehow “incapable of making decisions” about just about anything, especially sex.
Teenagers shooting nude photos of themselves and passing them around is called “production of child pornography.” The teenagers doing this are “child porn producers.”
Consensual sex between minors is “pedophilia” and if minors are caught have such sex with each other, they need to be arrested, charged and convicted of “child molestation” and afterwards they need to go on the Sex Offender Registry for the rest of their lives.
It is apparently illegal now for adult males to befriend minors of either sex. A man who does this is doing something called “grooming.”
A man who speaks to a female minor is guilty of something called “harassing a child” because the only reason a man would talk to a female minor is if he is scheming to have sex with her.
In every case above, we previously had laws, norms and values based on Male Rule, which is the rule of Logic over Emotion. Now in all of the above cases, Male Rule or the Rule of Reason has been overthrown by women. In its place has been substituted various new laws, rules and mores based on Female Rule which is the rule of Emotion over Logic. In each case, flawed but rational and fair male rules, laws and mores were replaced by faulty, ridiculous and insane female rules. Society is not better as a result. Society is simply crazier and less rational.

This sort of mass chaos and idiocy is probably the typical and possibly even universal result of allowing Female Rule to supplant Male Rule in human society.



Robert Lindsay, Beyond Highbrow 22 Comments [8/21/2015 3:28:33 AM]
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Quote# 112058

(Robert? What I found so disturbing about that show To Catch A Predator is that quite a few of the men who were lured into these sting operations came out and admitted that they were still virgins. They could have been lying, but, then again, they were likely telling the truth. When they get to prison, I imagine that word gets around the inmate population that these men have never been touched.)

Then these men end up having their first sexual experience in the form of a violent gang rape against them by a bunch of sodomite goons. I would never wish something like that on even my worst enemy. I am glad that To Catch A Predator was taken off the air. Unfortunately, there are other fanatics out there in the world like Chris Hansen and Perverted Justice who take their obsessions even further to the point that innocent people get hurt…

…Yeah, but if that “offender” wishes to support the younger person for the rest of her life as I’ve seen in so many cases in which a 22-year-old man marries his pregnant 14-year-old girlfriend, locking him up and branding him a sex offender after he gets out of prison isn’t going to improve his chances of finding employment to make such support possible, to say the least.

Good point. 14 and 15 year old girls are not children. You can only groom and molest children. You can’t groom and molest people who aren’t children, although that is probably coming. I assume this is where the radfems are going next – soon they will accuse men of grooming and molesting full-grown women, which is in line with Feminist Theory which essentially states that females never grow up and remain children until their dying day.

Since it is not possible to groom and molest someone who is not a child, it is not possible to groom and certainly not to molest a 14 or 15 year old girl. Yes you can fuck them and do all sorts of sexual things with them, as you can any woman. But you can’t molest them anymore than you can molest a 30 year old woman.

Robert Lindsay, Beyond Highbrow 85 Comments [8/21/2015 3:26:24 AM]
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Quote# 112056

"If I hold to a moral position that it is bad, wrong, undesirable to murder?"

Please understand that "bad, wrong, undesirable" do not exist in any objective sense in the world of the atheist. They are merely ice cream flavors. There is no objective difference between Mother Teresa and Hitler on atheism - in fact arguments can be made using evolution that Mother Teresa was "better" than Hitler.

WorldGoneCrazy, Christian News Network 18 Comments [8/21/2015 3:25:21 AM]
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Quote# 112055

start looking at the people around you. start with your family like i did
the day is coming when some of those people will have to be cut loose like i did
i have a brother who is a card carrying lib. he turned his back on his family, his church and his God. he married a woman who was even worse than him and they have a pack of spoiled brats that think the sun rises and sets on their nintendo.
those people are 5th columnists and quislings. they will blindly accept whatever garbage the fascist regime feeds them and vomit it forth like a plague. they will do whatever they are told and most of them cant be reached anymore, their hearts have heardened like the pharoah. at the end of days those same people, your brothers and sisters and cousins and nieces and nephews will be there to cheer when Christians are being led out to the chopping block for not taking the mark.
including you
nd the only way you will avoid this is to be come JUST LIKE THEM. and you will be lost. just like them.
so if you value your soul your life and your family start cutting these people off from you now
start cutting all ties with them.
start avoiding them. stay away from them. dont speak to them. dont associate with them.
if they ask you can be up front with them
but you must be strong. these people are no longer your family or friends
a choice must be made. and they already made theirs

crossforce, WND 12 Comments [8/21/2015 3:24:57 AM]
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Quote# 112054

the founding fathers made sure when they created this country that only people with skin in the game could vote.
im all for that. if we had been wise it would never have changed.and we wouldnt be in this mess were in now.
except id add a few more requirements to it. one, you had to have served your country and either retired or discharged honorably. two, you were 60 years of age or older. by the time someone makes it to 60 theyve usually got their heads screwed on straight. that would help curb any excesses of youth. three, no one who has received or is currently receiving welfare or ss is allowed to vote ever, because they can and will vote to give themselves greater benefits

crossforce, WND 24 Comments [8/21/2015 3:23:36 AM]
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Quote# 112050

[ Also, do you know what hyperemesis gravidarum, pre-eclampsia, and ectopic pregnancies are? Do you know how physically hellish pregnancy can be for a woman? Do you know all of the different ways that pregnancy can cause mental and emotional distress to a woman? Do you know how emotionally scarring it can be to give a child up for adoption? Or do you just not care about any of that, which proves that your views on abortion are incredibly hateful?]




I’ll just answer both your questions here, first you assume I don’t care because I don’t believe in killing the child they don’t want? This is, in fact, false. Though I suspect you assumed I’d answer that way, I’ve yet to meet a person who’s pro-life because they don’t care about women. So yes, I’m aware you’re trying to bait me but that’s alright.Moving on to the rest, yes I know what hyperemesis gravidarum, preeclampsia, and ectopic pregnancies are. My mother had hyperemesis gravidarum while pregnant with my youngest brother. Yes I know that pregnancies can be tough, again I’ll direct you back to my mother who almost died with both my younger brothers. Was she pushed to have an abortion during her third pregnancy? Yes, she almost died with my first brother and the second was due within a year of that, her mother pushed her simply because she was worried about my mother’s life. I understand that and so did my mother, she didn’t actually intend to become pregnant with my youngest brother when she did, but life happens and she intended to take responsibility for that. Not to mention she knows what it’s like to feel a child inside of your body and she can’t convince herself that what she’s feeling isn’t human. So yes I know what those are and I know that women can survive them. I’d like to know why do you believe women are so weak?

If you’re wondering whether I believe women should have an abortion ever, under any circumstances, my answer is yes. If the mother is dying, that’s all, and that’s because I’d prefer to lose one life rather than two, and even then I feel that the situation is an awful one.

As for the emotionally scarring part of adoption, do you truly believe that women are callous enough to not care what happens to a child as long as they don’t see it happen? You believe that a women would rather kill their child because it would be easier on them than giving it away. Also are you able to explain the logic behind thinking that a women would become emotionally scarred from seeing her child go off to have a chance at life in a good home (because she didn’t want it) so instead she’d rather have it killed.

Perhaps it would have been easier to simply tell you that my views don’t stem from hate in any way, but I doubt you’d have believed it if that were all I said, there’s still a good chance you don’t. So if you prefer to call it hateful that I believe women are stronger and more compassionate than the pro-choice side gives them credit for, I can’t stop you.

the-conservative-feminist, tumblr 10 Comments [8/21/2015 3:16:43 AM]
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Quote# 112046

Little did we know when we moved here,
That the land was cursed.

But we soon found out that it was.

Appliances broke down, some almost severely injuring our family when they failed, strange toxic odors that no matter what we did would not go away, illnesses that refused to go away or lessen despite all kinds of treatment, oddities going wrong with the house which needed lots of money to fix them, objects flying off the counters or walls, (usually at night or on witches sabbats,) ghosts appearing and then disappearing, disembodied voices cursing and threatening us, and massive deaths of our chickens, with no apparent sicknesses. (It got so bad with the chickens, that the local feed store refused to sell any more baby chicks to us, for they knew that any chickens we’d bring home, would die within just a few hours, again for no apparent reason.)

But we knew that all the chaos was coming from the demons, for they were seen being so thick and heavy, that when one was cast out, several more took its place. They would taunt us, and tell us that it didn’t matter if we cast them out in Jesus name; they would still return to kill again. Sleep became elusive for those among us who could see such things, and we all began to struggle to simply live here.

We asked for help from the local pastors, but no one knew how to deal with such happenings. I went to search on the internet for help, but found very little. Not enough to really use to set us free. It actually took a combination of several books on deliverance, to give us a clue on what we were supposed to do to be set free from these afflictions.

Little did we know, it wasn’t simply the sins of the far past that was still haunting our land, it was also a group of Satanists who were illegally growing their cannabis drug (a special strain that they use just for their satanic initiation rites) on our land. (Part of our land is thick bushy undergrowth on the side of a rough valley, and it is hard to reach each little area.) We discovered their presence when they left a huge boulder on our land, (they deposited it fifteen minutes after midnight, on one of their sabbat Fridays,) marked with an open pentagram. Apparently they were leaving their signs for others to find, which marked the land as theirs. We smashed the rock, and took the pieces to the dump. We removed the other markings they had left as well. The police had already been keeping watch on the area, and one day they must have gotten too close to their stuff, for they soon left and have not been back since.

The first time we cleansed our land, we used only the blessed olive oil. But this was not enough, for the hauntings and problems continued, although now they were somewhat less. (Not as many demons replaced the ones we would cast out in Jesus name.) Evidently, the forgiveness of sins was also needed, not just the addition of the Holy Spirit, so, we tried it again, but this time we used both blessed olive oil AND kosher grape juice. (New wine.)

Praise to Jesus Christ of Nazareth; it worked!

The chicken deaths stopped, the mystery illness my son had suffered from for months cleared up, other illnesses cleared up, the toxic smells went away, and things stopped breaking down. The ghost sightings were almost gone, only one remained. This one we would see in the window of our kitchen. It too left, when we got rid of an old antique medicinal spirits bottle that we found on the property, and had placed on our kitchen window sill. Now when we cast out a demon in the name of Jesus, no new demon comes forth to take its place, and we have seen that demons can not go on to our property! It is like a fence that keeps them out.

Dreams of Dunamis, Dreams of Dunamis 16 Comments [8/21/2015 3:15:03 AM]
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Quote# 112044

Q: What is the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement?

VHEMT (pronounced vehement) is a movement not an organization. It’s a movement advanced by people who care about life on planet Earth. We’re not just a bunch of misanthropes and anti-social, Malthusian misfits, taking morbid delight whenever disaster strikes humans. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Voluntary human extinction is the humanitarian alternative to human disasters.

We don’t carry on about how the human race has shown itself to be a greedy, amoral parasite on the once-healthy face of this planet. That type of negativity offers no solution to the inexorable horrors which human activity is causing.

Rather, The Movement presents an encouraging alternative to the callous exploitation and wholesale destruction of Earth’s ecology.

As VHEMT Volunteers know, the hopeful alternative to the extinction of millions of species of plants and animals is the voluntary extinction of one species: Homo sapiens... us.

Each time another one of us decides to not add another one of us to the burgeoning billions already squatting on this ravaged planet, another ray of hope shines through the gloom.

When every human chooses to stop breeding, Earth’s biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory, and all remaining creatures will be free to live, die, evolve (if they believe in evolution), and will perhaps pass away, as so many of Nature’s “experiments” have done throughout the eons.

It’s going to take all of us going.

Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, Voluntary Human Extinction Movement 21 Comments [8/21/2015 3:14:47 AM]
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Quote# 112042

[Re. Why Christians should disable Youtube comments]

First, if you allow comments, mean people are going to mock the Word of God and use vulgarity and curse words. Sadly, the “F___ word” is common and allowed on YouTube. It is mainly for this reason that I always disable comments. I went to look up a Chinese recipe and found a very nice video. There were comments attacking the man's culture and making fun of him, calling him names and saying rotten things about his cooking. I then understood why other members don't allow comments on their cooking videos. It's much worse for any videos praising the Word of God or the Son of God. Every form of vulgar slander and potty-talk is found on the internet. This evil world hates God. I am preaching the truth and don't care what the God-haters and blasphemers have to say. I'll never enable comments, because this wicked generation is characterless and totally devoid of God.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 20 Comments [8/21/2015 3:04:32 AM]
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Quote# 112041

The Book of Ecclesiastes says, “There is no new thing under the sun.” A cruel Pharaoh slew scores of Hebrew children in ancient Egypt. King Herod is famous for a plan to kill little baby Jesus. Is this new paradigm a high-tech rerun of what Winston Churchill called “the perverted science” of Nazi Germany? Through “Operation Paperclip,” and over the objections of then-President Harry Truman, Nazi scientists were brought to the U.S. The New York Times reviewed a book on this topic. Did the Nazi medical agenda vanish forever or continue and even expand?

Rhodesian Special Forces soldier Bert Sachse of “Blood Diamond” and Sierra Leone fame once personally told me about a “killing machine par excellence.” I also met Aki Ra and lived amongst the remnant of the Khmer Rouge in extreme northern Cambodia. I’ve seen real killing machines. But has there ever been a killing machine quite like Planned Parenthood?

Forget the actual, clinical “hard killing” for a moment. Consider the smooth public relations functionality and a half-billion dollars in annual support from the federal government of the United States.

Planned Parenthood’s founder, Margaret Sanger, was an admirer of the eugenics movement. Her “Negro Project” sought to bring abortion to black women and black families – who apparently had not suffered enough during their first 400 years in the Western Hemisphere. Today, black abortions in the United States outnumber white abortions by eight to one. Have you ever heard even one black celebrity, politician, athlete, singer or movie star speak out against black abortion? Is everyone on board, cognitively unable to relate their own black history and experiences to that of unborn black babies? Louis Farrakhan has actually spoken out in defense of unborn black babies. Few others dare to do so.

Anthony C. Lobaido, WND 14 Comments [8/21/2015 3:04:22 AM]
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Quote# 112040

As someone who is more concerned about the Kingdom of God than the kingdoms of this world, this is who I would say Scott Lively is:
Scott Lively is a pastor of a very small church, and a minister to an unknown number of people who read his columns and/or watch his rare interviews on TV in which he boldly proclaims the truth (Jesus) about the powerful and truly evil pro-homosexuality movement. He is a man without any political power or authority. And only because of his bold, unapologetic, courageous, and humble witness for Christ, he (not any of the "mainstream" pro-family groups) is facing “the accuser” in a United States federal court--a court that is more than happy to cooperate with the accuser. (Scott Lively is being accused of “crimes against humanity!” because of WORDS HE SPOKE.) Scott Lively is a man who Christians owe a great deal of respect and a debt of gratitude.

Truth Offends, BarbWire 12 Comments [8/21/2015 3:04:05 AM]
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Quote# 112039

[your forcing upon an unwanted child? What about failed contraception? What about accidental pregnancy? What about illnesses which are “scientifically proven” to be triggered and/or caused by pregnancy?What about the physical and mental changes the woman has to go through? May I also point out that not all women have easy pregnancies, supportive families and partners, decent income, health insurance (to where it concerns)]

• [“What about girls who are raped?”]
I’m not Catholic, but I believe they have a very sensible and ethical procedure to handle cases of rape. Rape is no excuse to kill a human. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

• [“What about women physically unable to follow through with pregnancy?”]


Women who are physically unable to follow through with pregnancy should not get pregnant to begin with. Use birth control. Get a tubectomy. Consult a doctor. Don’t rush into an abortion. There are options that pro-choicers tend to neglect to mention.

• [“What about women in abusive relationships?”]
If you’re in an abusive relationship…get out of it. This isn’t rocket science. I don’t know what an abusive relationship has to do with abortion. Are you saying that a woman isn’t capable to raise a child on their own?

• [“What about people living in poverty?”]
Poverty also has nothing to do with abortion…well, unless you’re into eugenics. The last time I checked, their are plenty of children living in poverty today. Keyword: living.

• “What about the unanswered questions your forcing upon an unwanted child?”
I’m not totally sure what you were trying to say here but there is no such thing as an “unwanted child.” That’s a terrible term thrown around by terrible people. There is always someone willing to adopt a child, even one that is disabled. For example we have people in this country that are smuggling children in from other countries:

•[ “What about failed contraception? What about accidental pregnancy?”]

An accidental pregnancy is not the child’s fault, is it? Trying to justify murder for your own mistakes is like a bank robber justifying killing a police officer because they were caught stealing.

• [“What about illnesses which are “scientifically proven” to be triggered and/or caused by pregnancy?”]

Again, see the Dr. Koop quote above. Talk to your doctor about the risks of the possible risks of pregnancy. Otherwise, use birth control or get a tubectomy. Be personally responsible for your actions. Sex is fun but it’s not a game.

• [“What about the physical and mental changes the woman has to go through?”]
No offense, but tough shit. We’re grasping at straws here.

• [“May I also point out that not all women have easy pregnancies, supportive families and partners, decent income, health insurance (to where it concerns)”]
Despite your myriad list of excuses, it all boils down to personal responsibility (other than in the small case of rape). There’s really no good justification to murder an innocent, unborn child. It’s neither logical nor moral.]

redbloodedamerica, tumblr 38 Comments [8/20/2015 2:30:40 AM]
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Quote# 112038

I'm pro-man's choice. I believe in a man's right to choose. The life growing inside the woman is 50% his, and I don't believe that the woman has a right to kill that life unless the father consents.
That's the only thing I'm hardcore about when it comes to this issue.

A woman's right to choose. I really hate that phrase. It's all just a very pretty nothing meant to make a horrendous act seem like a god given unimpeachable right. Next thing you know they'll be taking away our guns.

Honestly "a woman's right to choose" falls under the idea of "rationalising what's wrong" that I went over a few posts ago. It's this idea that you can come up with whatever excuse you need to to make abortion right in your head.

What about a man's right to choose? If I get a girl pregnant, she can go have an abortion, without my consent. She can choose to murder my child, without my consent at all, no matter what my beliefs on the matter. I'd actually feel a whole lot more comfortable about the issue of abortion if the fathers were given any consideration whatsoever. As it is, it seems women's "unimpeachable rights as americans" trump over integrity and decency in the end.

A woman's right to choose is a load of crap. It's gussying up something really quite ugly: That any woman at any time, simply feeling overwhelmed at the idea of being a mother, can just decide she doesn't want the responsibility, and terminate her child. For no better reason than she just doesn't want to deal with a kid right now in her life.

I think a good compromise would be to reform abortion laws like this:

1) In order for a doctor to perform an abortion, he must have the consent of BOTH parents. The man and the woman. A woman has no right to terminate a mans child without his consent.
2) The only exception is in cases of rape. In those cases a police report would have to have been filed within a certain timeframe after the rape, before the first missed period, to prevent overwhelmed mothers from crying rape just to get an abortion.
3) Any case for an abortion, excepting the cases of rape, must be reviewed before a judge. Financial standing and any mental disorders present in the mother must be taken in to account. If at the end of the day, the judge finds the mother is both financially able to support the child, and mentally capable of taking care of the child, the abortion is denied.

Well technically I'm not an anarchist. It's just easier to say I'm an anarchist than it is to say "I hate the american government, all current forms of government, and want a revolution, but I believe in old fashioned morals and religion and I don't believe a society could exist without some form of government." So though I proclaim to be an anarchist it is only because it allows me to fight our current form of government and society without a big fat explanation.

Yes that seems hypocritical but I really don't care. Revolution, defying conventions, defying society and authority; I share all those ideals with anarchists, but I don't believe in some of the more extreme views of anarchy. So I figure I might as well just call myself an anarchist.
So what if I hate authority. It is only because our current form of authority is stupid, irresponsible, hypocritical, greedy, and abusive. That doesn't mean that I would allow little children to be killed because I'm "supposed" to hate laws and government.

And it's not that I view pregnancy as a crime. It's that I view promiscuity as a crime. If you are stupid and sleep around than you're an idiot and you need to deal with the consequences of your stupid actions instead of punishing the unborn life you created through your stupid actions.
Two wrongs don't make a right and killing an innocent child because he/she is a child of rape is wrong. Carry the child, then if you really don't want it give it to a family who does.


[You cannot force a woman to go through the nine months of pregnancy just because the guy wants the child. It's the woman's body, it's her choice. I do however, feel that the father should at least be notified before an abortion because, for me, I'd be royally pissed if I suddenly found out that a girl had had an abortion without telling me. I wouldn't have tried to change her mind, I wouldn't have tried to influence her, I'd just want to know.]

*bleep* that. Seriously, *bleep* that whole mentality. I don't give a shit if it's her body. She shouldn't have spread her legs in the first place if she didn't want to take that risk. AS THE FATHER, I should have a say in whether or not my child is murdered, period, end of *bleep*ing story. I *bleep*ING HATE that mentallity that just because it's not in MY stomache, means I have no parental rights over the child. That's bullshit to the nth degree tyvm. It's still my *bleep*ing child.

I've been saying this for years. I disagree that a man shouldn't have to pay child support, but what really gets me hot is when people start going on about "a woman's right to choose" in regards to an abortion. If the father for religious, moral, or other reasons doesn't believe in abortion, well he's shit out of luck. He has no say in the process whatsoever and has to live forever knowing that his child was (at least in his mind) murdered and there was nothing he could do about it. Frankly, I won't be happy with abortion being a viable option until the clinics start requiring BOTH parent's consent, or a no contest (basically the man has not signed either a consent or nonconsent form, thus waiving his rights entirely, in which scenario, just as in no contest divorce cases, he must LEGALLY be informed that the mother is sueing for the right to an abortion and giving him roughly 30 days to respond with either a cease and desist or a go ahead).

That's the only way I will EVER be comfortable with abortion being legal.

anonymousguy, neoseeker 44 Comments [8/20/2015 2:30:00 AM]
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Quote# 112037

I would rather have a Theocracy than what we have now. People doing what seem right in their own eyes never works out for the good of the people.

TerryChapman, Christian News Network 30 Comments [8/20/2015 2:28:52 AM]
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Quote# 112035

“I don’t read a Bible to figure out what I think"

Well, Johnny, that's because the Bible doesn't tell you what YOU think - presumably you already know that! Then again, maybe not. :-)

We Christians read the Bible to tell us what God thinks, and then, unlike you, we adjust our thinking and follow Him, instead of ourselves.

WorldGoneCrazy, Christian News Network 38 Comments [8/20/2015 2:28:39 AM]
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Quote# 112034

Kasich is the first candidate to be scratched off my list. He went to a "wedding" of same-sex twosome. If he was a real Christian, he should have said there is no such thing and stayed home. Seems to be too spineless and wishy-washy when it comes to the truth.

lorac odraned, Christian News Network 26 Comments [8/20/2015 2:28:26 AM]
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Quote# 112032

"Actually, Atheism only make the statement regarding evidence for a God, nothing more and nothing less."

Ok, so give me some evidence for the No God Hypothesis.

"different ideas regarding abiogenesis"

Technically, abiogenesis was refuted several hundred years ago by Christians.

"Although religious texts often state how the Universe came to be, Atheism makes no statement in this regard."

Not true. Consider these 3 options:

1. The universe is eternal.
2. The universe was created by some sort of Being which is spaceless, timeless, non-material, immensely powerful, has personal free will, and is self-existing.
3. The universe was self-creating.

Are there any other possibilities? Option 1 is not supported by the current level of science. Option 3 is self-refuting. You proposed an option that an abstract physical model could have created the universe, but we don't have anything to go on that would indicate that abstract objects can create or cause anything. It seems to me that the most reasonable place to be is in option 2, unless I am missing another option?

"Morals and thinking are two different subjects."

Objective moral values and duties do not exist on atheism. And your "pope" and "cardinals" agree with me here:

“In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication,some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, or any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference… DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.” (Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life (1995))

“Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear — and these are basically Darwin’s views. There are no gods, no purposes, and no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end of me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life, and no free will for humans, either.” A-theist William Provine

“The position of the modern evolutionist is that humans have an awareness of morality because such an awareness of biological worth. Morality is a biological adaptation no less than are hands and feet and teeth. Considered as a rationally justifiable set of claims about an objective something, ethics is illusory. I appreciate when someone says, ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself,’ they think they are referring above and beyond themselves. Nevertheless, such reference is truly without foundation. Morality is just an aid to survival and reproduction, . . . and any deeper meaning is illusory.” (Michael Ruse, “Evolutionary Theory and Christian Ethics,” in The Darwinian Paradigm (London: Routledge, 1989), pp. 262-269).

"no purpose, no evil and no good," "no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life," "ethics is illusory"

There you have it - that is YOUR world. You don't get to borrow the existence of objective moral values and duties from the world of the theist - they do not exist to you - they are merely flavors of ice cream. When you make objective moral claims, you are actually acknowledging the existence of God - for which I thank you very much! :-)

"also is the hatred for God by Atheists"

Secular peer-reviewed proof that atheists hate a God they do not believe in:

http://winteryknight .com/2015/05/22/study-explores-whether-atheism-is-rooted-in-reason-or-emotion-3/#comments

Excerpt: "At first glance, this finding seemed to reflect an error. How could people be angry with God if they did not believe in God? Reanalyses of a second dataset revealed similar patterns: Those who endorsed their religious beliefs as “atheist/agnostic” or “none/unsure” reported more anger toward God than those who reported a religious affiliation."

The Last Trump, Christian News Network 24 Comments [8/20/2015 2:26:43 AM]
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Quote# 112030

(This person started a thread asking why torture wasn't considered a reliable means of extracting information. When given a bunch of replies explaining why, this was their response.)

Well say what you want but I highly doubt the CIA and the like would be wasting so much time, money and resources to something that hardly had any effect.

I believe torture is very much justified when dealing with sub-human scum. You're talking about men that can't control their orgasms hence making their women cover from head to toe. Men that believe they are getting many virgins in heaven. Only mass lunatics with severe evolutionary deformities could believe such garbage.

Honestly, I think they aren't doing enough. Torture isn't just physical but psychological. Take things your enemy hates the most and see what happens.

Imagine how quickly men in the middle east would talk if they had to constantly endure being tortured by a WOMAN, while watching her ****/**** all over a bunch of Korans. There could be no worse punishment for those sick ***** un-evolved humans that live over there.

PeaceAndLove42, City Data 34 Comments [8/20/2015 2:25:08 AM]
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Submitted By: ScrappyB

Quote# 112027

How to identify a Satanic infiltrator in a Church

Years before I got involved in spiritual warfare, I was a minister in a home church that ministered to hard core sinners. I wanted the worse of the worse to teach the deeper aspects of the Christian life to ; so that they too could find release from heavy bondage to sin. I did this under the belief that "sinners make the very best Christians".

During my years of ministry, I ministered to homosexuals living with AIDS; Prostitutes, Drug addicts, and Generational Satanist that were trying to escape the abuse of the occult and of their covens.

This presented it's own set of pecularities, like demon possession. I didn't have anyone who could counsel me on how to counsel to others, so I had to get on my knees and get my answers to how to minister to such from the Lord Himself.

As I began to be proficiant in deliverance ministry, I then tried to "disciple" those who I helped to be delivered from the occult by taking them to my conservative Baptist Church that I attended. But one Sunday, I had this one young lady get aggitated during the service, then she became scared, finally she got up and ran out of the service never to return again.

After two weeks of trying to find this girl I finally was able to set up a meeting by a mutual friend who had oridinally invited her to our group. As I asked her why she ran out, she was shaking like a leaf, and what she told me ran through me like a cold steel sword to my heart.

"The most powerful Satanist in town are at your church...and they are running it." "And they recognized me, and I them, and if I go back to Church with you I will be in danger and they will kill me." This was the greatest shock of my life. I had no idea that the conservative Baptist church that was the flag ship of the bible fellowship that it represented had become infiltrated by a group of Satanist, let alone were running the thing. I had to do some research, and sure enough, the girl was correct. And, they weren't just in my church, they were in every Church.

These are a few things that I discovered that one may use in identifying these infiltrators. They are crafty and they are able to hide very well but these things will help you in discovering what took my by surprise; but let me fore warn you, once your eyes are opened, you will never be the same again. So let us begin...

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The scriptural prescedence for infiltration is found in Matthew 13:24-42. Also, the early church had to deal with infiltrators too, the descriptions of their activity can be found in the book of Jude and also in II Peter chapter 2.

Infiltrators do not infiltrate the general population, they were known in the early church as "false prophets and false teachers" They will infiltrate positions of authority and of teaching so they can spread their influence properly.

1.) Infiltrators take positions of authority: Pastors, teachers, choir directors, alter workers, deceans, etc. They come in with lots of money and lots of political influence and they throw this around like candy when first infiltrating a church. This money and influence buys them a position of authority and power in the church.

2.) Infiltrators identify themselves with symbols: This can be done mostly by jewelry or clothing. They do this to identify their position of power to other infiltrators who then get behind them and support them in their efforts to destroy the Church from within. The most common is that of the:
a. Ring worn on the middle finger: The middle finger is a finger that is associated with Saturn, which is anagram for Satan. A ring of any sort worn on the middle finger signals that they have magickal power in their bloodline. Occult practices are divided into two groups; left hand path, which is more of a satanistic type of occult, and the right hand path that is more religious and Luciferian in manner. Which hand they wear the ring on will identify which path of witchcraft they practice.
The plain gold wedding band is the most powerful symbol of all. It signifies that their bloodline can produce an anti-Christ, and it also signifies a "bride of Satan" position of power. A plain gold wedding band worn on the middle finger is a "bride of Satan" symbol that signifies their authority in Satan.

B.) Another symbol is the wearing of red:A red dress for the ladies and a red tie for the men. It is in homage to the "Beast" that is described in Revelation as being a red seven headed dragon. Also, Sunday is the high witch day for power. Notice when ever a state function is broadcast on TV, how many red ties and how many red dresses there are. These are symbols that Satanist use to identify themselves one to another.



That is enough to get started, let's see how much reaction this gets, and I assure it will get plenty of reaction. One cannot reveal the devil's secrets without paying the price, let the fireworks begin...

Wingedlion, Godlike Productions 31 Comments [8/20/2015 2:24:42 AM]
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