Quote# 120262

Anonymous: you never hear of pro choicers helping any women who were forced to abort by abusive boyfriends or by family. They never offer sympathy to women who (luckily this is EXTREMELY rare) were forced to abort or else they'd die. They only gloat because "YAH WE NEED DAT FOR ABORTION RIGHTS!"

aubscares: Very VERY true. I’ve actually never even thought of that. They’re all about “choices” but many young girls are pressured into an abortion by their boyfriend/parents. But of course pro-choicers suddenly don’t care about “choice” in those situations at all.

Anonymous and aubscares, Tumblr 8 Comments [7/4/2016 5:22:48 AM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 120257

Okay, so I am currently back on the East Coast USA, visiting family, and I have to say, I absolutely hate this place! I moved to the midwest nearly two years ago, simply because I became completely disgusted with the political and social climate of this region. Every time I come back here to visit, I am reminded of exactly why I left this stupid place. I feel like I am completely behind enemy lines here. Even though there is a high concentration of whites here, most of them are raging liberal arrogant pricks. Obama2012 stickers abound. The politics here are totally jew-dominated (two jew senators in CT), and there are so many mudsharks and minority-worshipping douchebags here. Most of the landscaping and restaurant business owners employ illegal mexcriments, and they treat their fellow working-class whites with total contempt (plenty of personal experience to back that up, too).

Also, most of the middle and upper-crust white females here are totally brainwashed, spoiled, liberal b*tches, who worship Obama, and treat non-wigger white males like we aren't worthy enough of even being alive. It is so hard for me to get a date here, or to even find like-minded individuals. The cost of living here is astronomical, and this is partly due to the fact that much of the tax money here is funneled into welfare, foodstamps, and section 8 housing for minority thug criminals, and their little sh*tlet spawns. Not to mention the costs necessary to keep all of the ape buck drug dealers here locked up in the prison system.

Just for the hell of it, I went to look at a house for sale in my old hometown (since I thought it would be nice to have something close to family). Even in a semi-rural area here, they wanted $150,000 for some stinky, forty year old house. I saw the same house advertised on the market a year ago, and since then, some "flipper" - almost certainly a jew - had some cheap vinyl siding slapped on, and new asphalt shingles put on the roof, and they also stripped all of the copper pipes out (which of course have good value now), replacing them with PEX tubing. They didn't even replace the gutters and downspouts that were torn out. And they changed the price of the house from $85,000 to $150,000! That's over 75% markup for doing practically nothing in the form of improvements to a house that's nearly half a century old, on a half acre lot.

When I went to look at the house, the realtor team was comprised of a couple of obnoxious kikes, and I was immediately turned off by their scheming demeanors, not to mention getting a glimpse of my future potential mudshark neighbor, along with her little kinky-haired thuglet running around next door while I looked at the yard. I thought to myself: "There's no way in hell I am going to pay $2500 a year in property taxes to live in an overpriced stick home, in order to feed, clothe, and educate this little sh*tlet and it's wigger mother. Needless to say, I declined making an offer. What's sad is that this used to be a very white town when I grew up hear fifteen years ago.

Is anyone else here originally from this region, and who got sick of it enough to move far, far away? It's truly a shame, because some of the shoreline areas and rural towns in this region are very beautiful, and indeed would make a wonderful place to live in an ideal, white-run society. At this point though, it is, for all intents and purposes, a lost cause to ever think that the Northeast USA - specifically CT - has any potential whatsoever to become a true PLE. I'm not kidding here; this place is hopeless and unsalvageable! Not to mention that there are so many snooty, arrogant jerks here.

Obviously, nowhere in the US - or any European country for that matter - is ideal at this point for communities of White Nationalists to live and thrive in, but this place totally disgusts me. I can't wait to leave here again. Sorry for the rant; I am pissed off right now, and just need to get this off of my chest, and hopefully get some feedback from you all. Thanks for listening.

psychoanalyst, Stormfront 15 Comments [7/4/2016 5:18:29 AM]
Fundie Index: 13

Quote# 120254

ONE nation will not become a province of the NWO world government. Jesus will heal-rejuvenate the 88 year old ailing king of Thailand. Healing will take place at my home south of Uttaradit. Jesus will make Thailand His "burning bush" [emanating truth and indestructible] nation.

Also soon coming is the Russian led invasion of Israel. Invaders get annihilated.?

John Prewett, Youtube 10 Comments [7/4/2016 4:21:10 AM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Take A Shill Pill

Quote# 120253

Can the decisions of the Supreme Court place you and you family at risk of death or physical harm? Absolutely! God ( that's the guy who created the universe) knows the fetus in the womb. Many of us believe it ticks Him off to a point of judgment when caregivers and babysitters abort . The judgment ticks me off because when He unleashes His wrath my family and I are at risk of collateral damage when He allows our destruction. Our society is already presenting demonic tendencies whereby a large segment of society has blinders on are Godless riding the perverted "woman's rights" card or spin. In fairness that stand is based on ignorance and desire to be free from any moral rules from the likes of " religious". That freedom is a right ,but. Hefty trash bagging a living fetus is not! Prophecy dictates we will view good as evil and evil as good! We have arrived and the nail in the coffin for America will be goofey Warren and crooked Hillary two looney tunes that make me dry heave !

openmike, City Data 11 Comments [7/4/2016 4:20:57 AM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 120250

[Read the whole subthread, it's a dead-on illustration of alt-right "economics don't real" rhetoric]

[I like how you reference immigration as a serious matter when arguing women are like grown children. You commit a major contradiction in that the economics you support treat men like children. Factory jobs protected from competition by immigration policy is a welfare cheque with a punch clock.

The only difference between Trumpist economics and alimony/family courts/divorce laws is the welfare benefits those with penises instead of those with vaginas. It’s free-riding either way.]

Dear Mrs Seymour,

You blather. Your “argument” is nothing more than a string of confused images posing as analogies. How can “economics”, being nothing more than a vague abstraction, act like a father to men?

And then you have an abstraction, “factory jobs” being protected from another abstraction “competition”.

What does this mean? Anything? Everything? Nothing?

People do things. Not abstract entities. Have you not heard of the concept of “human action”? That means that is is human choices, plans, and actions that cause history, not abstract concepts.

For example, “The revolution was planned and funded by the Jews”. HUman action with identifiable actors.

And if there is “free-riding” going on, who is riding upon the efforts of whom? Again, you don’t say. Just handy abstractions.

This kind of talk is classic politician-talk. It is intended to remove *people* from the discussion of who pays and who gets. To keep us in the dark as to our real enemies and interests.

Let me make it clear what you are saying by adding actual groups of people back into the discussion.

“You commit a major contradiction in that you want white men with families to protect themselves by demanding shitskins not be allowed to undercut their wages and conditions. This is “free-riding”, meaning it will get in the way of passing what was formerly their wages onto Jews in the financial-skimming industries.”

Fixed it for ya, ma’am.

Vagina dominator, Chateau Heartiste 6 Comments [7/4/2016 4:20:30 AM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 120248

Chesterfield here is essentially arguing for restricted female agency, and therefore the necessity to men of wisely shielding women from matters of true importance – like immigration policy – while pretending as if women’s counsel was desired.

Feminine women don’t really desire, as beta males are wont to believe, full egalitarian inclusion in serious business or political decisions. Having it bores them and they often rebel by deciding for changes that subvert the bounty for which they were charged by obsequious, supplicating men to protect and preserve. What women really love is the man who “trifles with them”, but also assuages their fear that their instinctive female predilection for flirtation and little passions won’t be exploited to embarrass them in polite company as frivolities.

CH, Chateau Heartiste 12 Comments [7/4/2016 4:19:38 AM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 120246

[Re. Christian images on jack-o-lanterns]

I saw these photos below on Google and immediately I thought it didn’t look right. To me, it’s well-meaning Christians compromising with the world. However, if you love Jesus, you will want to be completely SEPARATE from the world, right? Okay, the carvings on the pumpkins attest to the Saviour… but Halloween is the Devil’s holiday. Why would Jesus Christ in ANY way be associated with the Devil, that is, UNEQUALLY YOKED with him, so that these people would create such things? I don’t like it. I doubt the Lord approves of it. I think, and this in only my opinion, that these folks are promoting filthy lucre, that is, they want to sell their product of pumpkin-carving templates. Think I’m being a wacko? Whatever, think what you want. But just look at it. It doesn’t look right. It doesn’t lift up the Saviour if it’s mingled with Satanism! It’s corrupted! The Devil destroys everything he touches! The Devil doesn’t want you saved and going to heaven! So how is this foolishness going to draw people to the Lord? That’s the in-thing with professed Christians today. Mingle the holy with the unholy, compromise before truth, salvation by faith PLUS WORKS. Let me tell you right now, God says, THAT STINKETH!!!

Look at the detail on these. THESE ARE PUMPKINS that will rot in a few days. Can you imagine the time spent and exhausting, meticulous carving on them? It’s mind blowing! I was shocked to see them! Why don’t these people spend their time, effort and God-given talent serving the Lord in other ways that are pleasing to Him? Try passing out Gospel tracts to the masses of people who bombard your door on HELLoween night!! They don’t want candy, they’re miserable and looking for the REAL DEAL!! They’re all bound for eternity in HELL, and all they see is a pumpkin with a “Jesus” face on it!! Do you honestly think that will change their life?? Candy is a front! Costumes are devilish!! “Haunted houses” are from the depths of HELL!! It’s all a big show, people!! GOD’S WORD saves souls, NOT artistry of ANY kind!! NOT pictures!! NOT music!! NOT candy!! STOP TURNING THE WORKS OF GOD INTO COMMERCIALISM!!! NOTHING of the world can save a soul from Hellfire. ONLY THE WORD OF GOD. Period.

kingjameswriter1965, I Hate The Internet But I Love Jesus 8 Comments [7/4/2016 4:19:14 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 120244

To divorce one's spouse is a sin. If committing adultery is grounds for divorce, then Matthew 5:28 gives every wife Biblical grounds to divorce, because EVERY man has lusted. Jesus said that lust is equivalent to adultery. Many people are grasping for theological straws, looking for reasons to justify doing what they have already decided to do... DIVORCE! That's the same sin as Eve in the Garden of Eden. She had already decided to sin by eating the fruit, but she needed justification in her own mind. So she reasoned that the fruit was good for food, pleasant to look upon and would make her wise. Every woman does the same thing when it comes to the sin of divorce—she rationalized, looking for justification for what she has already decided to do.

We live in a selfish generation of liars and quitters. And may I say to you women who do file for divorce, you are commanded to remain single for the rest of your husband's life. 1st Corinthians 7:10-11, “And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.” Just because you're husband cheats on you doesn't give you a Biblical right to divorce, any more than it would give him a right to dump you if you cheated on him.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 12 Comments [7/4/2016 4:18:50 AM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 120242

Unfortunately, evolutionists incorrectly teach that the whale is not a fish but rather a "mammal" like a dog, or a cat, or a gorilla, or an elephant, or a zebra, or a bear, or a goat, or a fox, or a bat--this is not true. Anyone unaffected by the proclamations of evolutionists would look at a picture of a blue whale swimming and see a great, huge, colossal, humongous fish swimming through the sea, not a "mammal" akin to a dog or a cat. We know that the whale is a fish because the word of God, the Authorized Version of the Bible, makes this very clear--in Jonah chapter one we see that the prophet Jonah was swallowed by a great fish and then in Matthew 12:40, the Lord Jesus Christ reveals that that great fish was a whale. Let's look at the scriptures--

The prophet Jonah was swallowed by a great fish--
Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. Jonah 1:17

In Matthew 12:40, the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, our Creator, revealed that the great fish that swallowed up Jonah was a whale--

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The whale is exactly what it looks like--a fish, a huge fish that goes to the surface of the water for his oxygen. He was created with his own unique and amazing anatomy, physiology and habits according to what God ordained for him to have.

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Unlike many fish, the whale gives live birth to its young ones, which many today call "calves" [Note: it is kine/cows have calves; fish do not have calves].

Unknown author, Jesus is Lord 28 Comments [7/4/2016 4:14:04 AM]
Fundie Index: 14

Quote# 120241

I'm not sure i would want a doctor who "botched" my treatment to necessarily continue my care...

I agree 100%. But, then I would not want an abortionist anywhere near me either. We are talking about a cold-blooded serial killer here.

I say we just agree to skip the admitting privileges and proceed straight to the crimes against humanity charges for the abortionists.


WorldGoneCrazy, Live Action News 4 Comments [7/4/2016 4:12:46 AM]
Fundie Index: 3
Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 120240

The only difference between a moderate muslim and an extreme one is that the former will hold your legs, while the latter chops off you head.

prideandjoy, http://www.barenakedislam.com 7 Comments [7/4/2016 4:12:35 AM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 120238

honestly. ace tumblr just needs to pack it up and go home. y’all can’t distance yourself from the violent homophobia and transphobia that you perpetuate at this point. the fact that it’s caused so many LGBT aces to stop identifying as ace and just ID as LGBT is so telling of the disgusting shit that goes on. like you’re literally driving away the people you’re supposed to be supporting.

the-ace-community, Tumblr 12 Comments [7/4/2016 4:12:23 AM]
Fundie Index: 2
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 120235

Apocalypse finally is here . . .

So when some UN vehicles were being taken for shipping overseas from the American manufacturer, a conservative motorist freaked out after seeing them on the road and immediately warned others on social media that a UN invasion is imminent.




“Can’t begin to tell you how many of these I passed today on 81 near Lexington VA,” wrote conservative Jeff Stern along with photos of the vehicles being hauled on trailers.

Stern saw the vehicles being transported along Interstate 81 around Lexington, Virginia, which some conservatives mistook for Lexington, Kentucky and thus ended up spreading the rumor of UN vehicles being spotted in both states. The Daily Mail decided to blow the story out of proportion and literally wondered if the UN was here in the event of economic collapse, which only created more panic among mentally unstable conservatives.

Snopes even contacted the maker of these particular vehicles and received a reasonable explanation for why the vehicles were being transported.


Unlike the Daily Mail, we contacted Alpine Armoring, the manufacturer named in their article, to inquire about the images. According to an individual with whom we spoke at Alpine, the vehicles seen in these photographs were purchased by the United Nations for use outside the United States. A number of defense industry manufacturers are based in and around Washington, D.C. (a region that includes Virginia) for obvious logistical reasons, and the representative confirmed that the trucks were ordered by the UN for use in locations abroad.

After manufacturing, the UN vehicles require transportation to their final ports of call inside the U.S., and driving them to those final embarkation points could potentially put several thousand miles on them prior to their being loaded onto cargo planes or ships, so the trucks seen here were loaded onto a flatbed truck and transported in that fashion. It is a reasonable inference that, depending on their route and final destination, the same trucks would be spotted in other Southern states (particularly if they were to be sent abroad via a cargo ship leaving from a Southern port).



Sarah Palin,Jeff Stern, others, addictinginfo.com 13 Comments [7/4/2016 4:11:07 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 120234

WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY?

"Be not deceived, God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."



Galatians 6:7

A Friend of God's ; ), jesusisdarock 6 Comments [7/4/2016 4:07:24 AM]
Fundie Index: 2
Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 120228

I took my family to Universal Studios Tour in Hollywood. My wife and 7 year old daughter were in line ahead of me. For the season pass they took their thumb scan. When I got up there I said very loudly that ONLY criminals get fingerprinted! People were watching. They said ok we have to put a sticker on your season pass that I just had to show I.D. All the sheeple were just going along with no complaints!

HemiDave777, Rapture Ready 15 Comments [7/4/2016 3:48:46 AM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Arceus

Quote# 120226

Pity the bright young minds of the University of New Mexico being tainted with blood as they handle the butchered bodies of lesser humans considered unworthy to live. In the name of progress and education, one kills without mercy and presents baby entrails to be examined, while the other makes up a story about a club foot, a deadly flaw, a cosmetic defect, or the deepy tragic personal circumstance involving people who would be terribly inconvenienced by their little girl or boy. You might not learn much in university any more, but if you choose the right courses, you can still come away contaminated by the sins of others.

Martin Smit, Christian News Network 4 Comments [7/4/2016 3:48:13 AM]
Fundie Index: 3

Quote# 120222

The Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network has published three important new resources in the aftermath of last month’s devastating Supreme Court decision which found that people living with HIV have a legal duty, under the criminal law, to disclose their HIV-positive status to sexual partners before having sex that poses a “realistic possibility” of HIV transmission.

Not disclosing in such circumstances means a person with diagnosed HIV could be convicted of aggravated sexual assault.

As well as a detailed analysis in a briefing paper (aussi disponible en français) and a shorter info sheet, the Legal Network has produced a very helpful – if depressing – Q&A for people living with HIV (aussi disponible en français) as well those who support and advise them.

It is clear from these analyses that the Supreme Court’s decisions are a major step backwards for human rights and for public health.

Edwin J Bernard, HIV Justice Network 24 Comments [7/3/2016 3:55:35 AM]
Fundie Index: 14

Quote# 120221

Looking for another God is like looking for an answer other than ‘4’ to the question ‘what does 2 + 2 equal?’ Sure there are many other answers to that math question but nobody has ever asked me “Well what about 5, or 9, or 3,286,428?” Many people, either to avoid accountability, or for a host of other reasons, try to make up other ‘gods,’ but when the true answer is known, one need not look any further.

Sye Ten Bruggencate, Proof god exists 30 Comments [7/3/2016 3:54:17 AM]
Fundie Index: 15

Quote# 120218

No president has ever done such a poor job:

* Tried all he could to promote the elitist agenda against the brexit, and lost. EU is a failure and will be replaced by sensible trading agreements.
* "A record 94,708,000 Americans were not in the labor force in May -- 664,000 more than in April -- and the labor force participation rate dropped two-tenths of a point to 62.6 percent, near its 38-year low, the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on Friday.
When President Obama took office in January 2009, 80,529,000 Americans were not participating in the labor force; since then, 14,179,000 Americans have left the workforce"
* taken the US troops out of Iraq and created a power vacuum, which has resulted in the rise of ISIS
* caused a nuclear arms race in the Middle East
* emboldened Putin to take Crimea
* emboldened Putin to weaken the US-backed fighters battling Assad, and allowing Assad to remain in power
* emboldened islamists to pursue a dirty bomb and increase terrorism
* emboldened Kim Jong-un and antagonize him to destabilize the region
* worsened relations with China, N. Korea and Russia
* has divided the American people more so than since before the US Civil War
While he wasn't destroying the world, he:
* campaigned 24 x 7, including his > $300K junket to the UK to convince the people to remain (Fail!)
* resettling thousands of Syrian refugees sneakily throughout the US against the wishes of the state's governors, none of which were resettled in DC
* spent more US taxpayer $ on travel than all US presidents combined
* played golf
* designated a LGBT landmark

winniew, NPR 19 Comments [7/3/2016 2:58:11 AM]
Fundie Index: 7

Quote# 120215

There are many countries in Eastern Europe that have superior women than in America, but when you start to examine these women as wives and not only casual sex partners, you encounter a big problem: they value their education and careers above that of family. The reason? Education is offered for free or at a greatly subsidized rate by the government. Western governments are therefore programming women into becoming sterile office slaves and consumers instead of good wives and mothers.

I’ve met hundreds of Eastern European women from several countries, and because I’ve focused on living in cities, I’ve been unable to find more than a handful under the age of 25 who has shown eagerness into soon becoming a mom. Instead, the girls I’ve known have made their future employment the most important goal of their lives. Here is a conversation I’ve had several times:

Me: “Why don’t you want to be a mom soon?”

Girl: “Because I have to focus on my career first.”

Me: “Why don’t you just find a good man instead? He will take care of you.”

Girl: “Because men are bad. They cheat and become alcoholics. *Insert horror story of an awful man who a friend of a friend got married to.*”

Me: “So your job is more important than your family?”

Girl: “I need a backup plan in case my husband becomes bad.”

Men are bad, and because of that, she must spend years in university where she gets to experiment with different cocks and where she is firmly taken out of her natural role to learn how to serve a corporate master while her future kid goes to day care and her husband eats cans of tuna because his wife is too tired from work to cook, assuming she even knows how. A man’s marriage with such an empowered woman is doomed before he knows it.

Women want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be able to marry the man they are most attracted to, and if that doesn’t work, still be able to enjoy an independent and comfortable life of Ikea furniture and Starbucks without having to put up with a man’s reasonable demands to cook him dinner and make sure the children are taken care of.

To accomplish that task, she must spend thousands of hours studying a topic like law or international business relations and became an obedient office worker instead of learning how to obey her husband. And because of this desire, which is being fully supported by the government with free or subsidized education, usually in the form of interest-free loans, we are seeing the disappearance of the nuclear family along with high divorce rates and out-of-wedlock births where future degenerates of the state get to watch mommy get sexy matches on Tinder.

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Women win through this scheme because they are able to say no to their husbands without repercussions and the government wins because women are less dependent on men for their needs. These women then become dependent on the state and corporations, which can easily lead them to behaviors of their choice, such as not reproducing.

If you take the depopulation agenda to be accurate then it makes sense that you would want to train women to do anything but bond with men in a way that leads to reproduction. That is exactly what most Western governments have done, and it starts by essentially brainwashing women of the need to be free from their husbands by making them obsessed to earn money produced by central banks. Any country where the idea of female employment is seen as “common sense” is in the process of having their culture destroyed, if it hasn’t already been done.

But do women really get a good deal out of this? In order to survive, they must obtain resources from corporate employment, the government, or an individual man. They cannot exist in the world on their own.

The less a woman has to depend on a man’s resources, the less she will have trained herself on how to be a good wife and mother. She may still end up being a good wife and mother, but she been put on a path since her teenage years by the system to spend considerable amounts of time in corporate and victimhood training, not wife training. Therefore if you end up marrying a woman who places high value in her “empowered” job, and she refuses to quit that job when her presence is needed in the home, your misfortune comes not just from your mistake in choosing her, but in the fact that the government, through their education programs and directives, have ensured that very outcome. In effect, you’re being actively cucked by your own government.

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Even in Eastern Europe, it is very difficult to find a woman under the age of 25 in a big city who wants to soon be a stay-at-home mom, or at least a mom who places secondary importance in her career. The feminist ideas that have infected America first came to Eastern Europe in the form of Soviet communism, which—surprise—had the primary goal to destroy the family unit.

The fact that an Eastern European girl lives in the city while her parents remain in the village means that she has been seduced by the prospect of free education, city lights, and the ability to sleep around without consequences. It is unlikely that she will be able to provide you with the home life that you deserve above that of an American woman, especially since they both approach career and motherhood in a nearly identical way. Unless you start visiting villages or churches, you’ll end up disappointed.

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If you look at a map of fertility rates around the world, you can clearly see that countries with fertility under the replacement rate have fanatical programs about educating women. Doing so makes a woman’s most fertile period of her life go to waste so that she can spend 5-10 years getting an education in obedience, consumerism, and selfie-taking while developing a bullshit career that will not make her happier than having a family.

If I were king of a land and wanted to destroy a neighboring kingdom, I’d simply implant the idea of female education within their culture so that they’d simply die out within a few generations. In the meanwhile, have fun trying to find a good woman who believes in the most basic of family values. The government already got to her, and put ideas in her head which will make it very hard for you to experience the simple act of having a family. Sadly, besides finding a magical unicorn, I see no way for us to fix this problem for our generation.

Roosh, Roosh V 60 Comments [7/3/2016 2:57:13 AM]
Fundie Index: 20

Quote# 120214

[A review of "Third Ways" by Allan C. Carlson]

Adam Smith and David Ricardo expressed cautious optimism that an unhindered market in labor would provide the ordinary working man a large enough wage to marry and raise a few children; but neither claimed to have demonstrated the necessity of this. Radicals such as Marx and Engels soon challenged the idea, maintaining that capitalism transformed labor into an ordinary commodity which women and even children could sell to capitalists at a fraction of the cost for adult men. The traditional autonomy and solidarity of the family would thereby fall prey to industrial efficiency and the Faustian quest for profits. Later liberal economists such as J. S. Mill and Alfred Marshall came to agree with the Marxists that the capitalist market economy makes no natural accommodation to the family.

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It might at first sight seem paradoxical that families could ever be economically worse off having a second income instead of just one. But this is a classic example of what logicians call the fallacy of composition. It works like this. When an exciting play occurs in a baseball game, all the fans jump to their feet to get a better view. Do they actually get a better view? On average, no. If only one fan were to rise, he would get a better view; but when all rise, the overall view is no better than before. Analogously, an individual woman entering the workforce undoubtedly improves her own material situation; but if the great mass of women enters the workforce, the overall effect is merely to glut the market for labor, driving down wages for everyone.

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No “law of economics” prevents such insulation of women and children from the labor market. All societies treat certain things they especially value as extra commerciam—outside the scope of market exchange. There need be no market for beef, for example, in a country where cows are considered sacred. Or again, as long as a market in slaves existed they were subject to the same law of supply and demand as any other commodity; but this market could be abolished, and was. Similarly, there need be no market for women’s labor in a country which values home life and family solidarity more than maximal industrial efficiency. Except under rare conditions involving extreme destitution—e.g., where women’s or children’s wage work might be necessary to allow everyone in a family to eat adequately—any society can enjoy as much family autonomy as it is willing to pay for in such efficiency. Proponents of family-centered “third ways” believe such a tradeoff worthwhile; some may disagree, but there is no economic absurdity involved in the idea.

If you are even familiar with the term “family wage” today, you are showing your age. Yet this ideal, writes Carlson, “dominated labor goals throughout the North Atlantic region from the mid-nineteenth through mid-twentieth centuries and had measurable effects on wages and the labor market.” While industrialists almost without exception advocated the “right” of poor women to work (and drive down men’s wages), working class husbands felt differently. They fought for and won wages that permitted their women to remain at home with the children. In Britain between 1842 and 1914, for example, “substantial gains in material standards were achieved by the working class, accompanied by the movement of women from wage-earning to domestic pursuits.” Similarly, in Belgium there was “a thorough transformation in the family life of workers between 1853 and 1891, based on a withdrawal of married women from the labor market and a dramatic rise in the real incomes of men” (p. 44). Keep this in mind the next time you hear a feminist complacently assert the “impossibility” of returning to the days when a woman’s place was in the home.

In America the family wage ideal rested on legal barriers, direct discrimination (gasp!) against categories of female workers, marriage bans, and labor laws requiring the special treatment of women, discouraging their employment. The system was strong enough to survive the New Deal, but was dealt a body blow by the entry of the United States into World War II and the consequent mobilization of women for industry. The National War Production Board recommended “a single evaluation line for all jobs in a plant regardless whether performed by men or women.” Only 13 percent of US firms had followed such a policy in 1939, but by 1947, 57 percent did (pp. 45–46).

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“Equal pay for equal work” is a masterful piece of political rhetoric with a sort of “2+2=4” ring to it. Carlson catalogues for us a few of the realities this deceptive slogan has served to conceal. First of all, family households with only a single male wage earner have experienced a decline in real income: between 1973 and 1993 alone, this decline amounted to 13.6 percent. Next, single-income families have been put at a mounting competitive disadvantage relative to two-income families in the acquisition of consumer goods. There has also been a sizeable increase in the number of men earning less than a “poverty line” wage, and similar growth in the number of children living in female-headed households. Married women are increasingly faced with a stark choice: leave their young children during the day to try to earn income, or stay with them and fall into poverty. Either way, the children lose (pp. 50–51).

For the first time in history, notes our author, the family is becoming completely industrialized. Gardening, food preparation, home repairs, child care, and other residual forms of home production are being abandoned by busy couples in favor of market-provided services; in other words, the home has no economy of its own, but has become at best a kind of consumer’s cooperative (pp. 51–52). With the economic rationale for marriage thus eroded, divorce, transitory cohabitation, bastardy, abortion, and loneliness all increase. We have come a long way, baby.

Sweden is often held up as the best model of a country pursuing a “third way” between capitalism and socialism. Carlson devotes a chapter to the evolution of Swedish family policy in the past century and the ideological debates surrounding it; rumor has it that its original title was “Desperate Swedish Socialist Housewives.” However that may be, this chapter makes especially clear the difficulty of arranging family policy prescriptions neatly on a conventional left-right ideological spectrum. As early as 1866, delegates to the First Socialist International “approved a resolution calling for bans on the employment of women. The measure’s sponsors reasoned that working women pressed down overall wage levels and displaced men; in their view, working women were the equivalent of strikebreakers” (p. 113). Sweden’s Social Democratic Party adopted this view, and for many years it remained normative for Swedish “progressives.”

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By the 1960s, however, Alva Myrdal and her stridently anti-familial feminism were again on the march. Individual rather than familial taxation became a central issue in Swedish politics. As passage of the measure approached, a “Campaign for the Family” was launched. Fifty thousand letters of protest poured into the Prime Minister’s office; thousands of women marched on the Riksdag in (as one Swedish newspaper put it) “history’s first housewife demonstration.”

It was to no avail. In 1970, individual taxation went into effect; overnight, a housewife became an expensive luxury (pp. 129–31). Carlson writes: “Correctly labeled the era of Red Sweden, the first Olaf Palme government committed a kind of feminist genocide, intentionally eliminating a whole class of women through coerced ‘reeducation’ and forced labor” (p. 179).

The family wage is by nature a compromise with industrial capitalism; it turns one member of the family over to the labor market in exchange for keeping the rest insulated from it. Distributism, the economic platform advocated by Hilaire Belloc and G. K. Chesterton, went farther by seeking to counteract some of the inherent tendencies of capitalism directly.

F. Roger Devlin, The Occidental Quarterly 10 Comments [7/3/2016 2:56:13 AM]
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Quote# 120212

You ladies might as well have sex with another guy as to have lunch with him.

At least if you had sex with the guy, you must have had enough feelings toward him, or felt that your current relationship had gotten so bad, that you were well motivated to do this.

However, simply having lunch with him, shows that you value your current relationship AND the man you are supposed to be with,......so little.......that you would jeopardize everything for a sandwich and a drink....

yourfriendbob, datehookup.com 27 Comments [7/2/2016 6:27:53 AM]
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Submitted By: randy

Quote# 120210

Only women believe that they can be "just friends" with men. Guys know that on any given day a woman may be lonely, depressed, drunk, just broken up with a boyfriend, or in some other way vulnerable and craving intimacy. This is why the smart guys cultivate LOTS of female friends. They are supportive of them, never pressure them, always tell them the truth, and make themselves generally available. Women who would never dream of sleeping with their "buddy" can turn on a dime and drag him to bed at a moment's notice. These male "friends" are simply jackals slinking around the edge of the herd waiting for a weak moment. An intelligent man will NEVER trust the male "friends" of a woman they are involved with. Most of them have done the same thing and know the motivations of these opportunists...

[ Only shallow men can not just be friends with women, I have Always seemed to have more male friends all my life.....don't know why. ]

For the same reason cats hang around fish markets.
Anything can happen..


Yep. Even if it's all innocent, depending on someone else for emotional support instead of biting the bullet and working out your problems with your S/O is it's own form of cheating.
It shouldn't be surprising that the sympathetic ear someone runs to, will often as not turn into a bed partner..

yourfriendbob, datehookup.com 23 Comments [7/2/2016 6:25:49 AM]
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Submitted By: randy

Quote# 120208

[ Can men and women be just friends? ]

When it is all said and done...NO, there is always a possibility for me to secretly fall for him. I am scared that I could develop feelings, that is why when I was married...I willingly gave up ALL of my guy friends...

Any male or female who will not give up their opposite sex friends...probably is not worth marrying...

and will become a cheater..cheater..pu$$y or pecker eater



In all honesty...my guy friends...I have been attracted to at some point in my life...It may have just been a tiny feeling, yet it was there...I am not gonna lie...I LUV MALE attention...well, most of it..not that crap where we are sitting at the redlight...and goofballZ roll down the window, and gauk @ gurlZ...how lame! Also, I don't like being hit on @ the grocery store & gym.......

I think it is only natural to develop feelings for a guy friend you spend A LOT of time with...

However, I must admit...the guys I went to school with K-12...it would almost be a little too close for comfort. I am not sure that I could actually like these guys. However, I do not "hang out" with them.

Of course, this is my opinion...and I have been out of the dating scene around 7 years.

As I have stated before, I gave up all of my guy friends when I married...Why did I need 50 million guy friends...when I married my best guy friend? THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASONING FOR IT!!! However, my chickeeZ' have been with me through it all...and we will go through it all for life!

I just feel like saying it again...if I am in a committed relationship...what is the freaking point of having opposite seX friends?

I think if I am just going out on a date with someone...this is a bit different...not until one becomes taken...should the open door policy becum the closed door policy...

I have been cheated on in my marriage...why would I wanna go through that again...or make someone have to eXperience the pain...

SELFISH PEOPLE WILL KEEP THEIR OPPOSITE SEX FRIENDS...AND FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL DEFENDING THEIR OPPOSITE SEX FRIENDS....THIS IS HOW YOU CAN TELL IF THEY ARE TRULY COMMITTED TO THE RELATIONSHIP OR NOT....



sacred78, datehookup 12 Comments [7/2/2016 5:29:40 AM]
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Submitted By: randy

Quote# 120207

I received an e-mail from a teenager who wanted my opinion about a class he was considering taking in high school. The course was a psychology class. His mother really wanted him to take the class. He said he thought the class might be interesting, but wasn't sure of it was ok Biblically to participate in the class. I e-mailed him back and advised him NOT to take the class unless the Bible was going to be the source textbook. I explained to him that the class would be based upon humanism and worldly philosophies, NOT upon the Word of God. It's never ok to allow our young people to be brainwashed by the devil.

It's ok for a young man to go to trade school to learn a skill, but going to a heathen university is wrong because his mind WILL be influenced by worldly philosophies.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 29 Comments [7/2/2016 5:13:25 AM]
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