Quote# 133158

But saying that I made an unsupported claim is like the pot calling the kettle black. Where is the support for your claims? All I see is subjective experience. That's also what I gave you. The difference is that the subjectivity I gave is very obvious in the culture at large. The culture looks down on gluttony/obesity, gossips, and even cheating and divorce, therefore, those sins don't need a "Nashville Statement" to point out the difference between the church and the culture.

It's funny you say we are bleeding believers. The vast majority of churches with declining memberships are the ones that don't preach what the Bible says. Those that affirm homosexuality and the liberal political agenda are losing membership. Those that hold to orthodox teachings and a generally conservative political agenda are growing.

https://goo.gl/jQUzut in reference to this poll: https://goo.gl/hE6X7s
https://goo.gl/1RH7Tr

If you were in a church that affirmed all the sins you say it affirmed or enabled, you were in a bad church. There are plenty of those out there, but the good news is that their memberships are declining. If you aren't currently in a good conservative church, I urge you to find one.

Josh , Patheos  3 Comments [10/22/2017 10:25:09 AM]
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Quote# 133157

It is not clear how many women were branded or which Nxivm officials were aware of the practice.

A copy of a text message Mr. Raniere sent to a female follower indicates that he knew women were being branded and that the symbol’s design incorporated his initials.

“Not initially intended as my initials but they rearranged it slightly for tribute,” Mr. Raniere wrote, (“if it were abraham lincolns or bill gates initials no one would care.)”

Keith Raniere, New York Times 0 Comments [10/22/2017 10:24:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Hu’s On First

Quote# 133156

So, saw this article today: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/06/20352866-grocery-store-worker-may-have-infected-300-people-with-hiv-prosecutor-says?lite

Here is a question... I am not denying that keeping it a secret you have HIV is not right.. but, do we not make our own choices for sexual safety? If you have sex unprotected, you open yourself up to disease. The man who gave the victim HIV is in jail on a 250,000 bond. So what is the "crime" he committed? What legally does this fall under? What's next, a woman gets deathly ill during her pregnancy, then presses charges on the baby's father because he lied and told her he could not have kids? Now he's accountable for her illnesses? I have been an RN for years... we use universal precautions. If I use poor technique and do not protect myself and get a communicable disease, should the patient be placed in jail since he didn't tell me he has something?I already said I am a nurse, but also am new to the legal profession. (legal nurse consultant). So I would like to know, what law has been broken here? That's the bottom line. Was a CRIME committed?


, I get that they are looking into the public health concern and massive spread. I am not arguing that. This article says many of the 300 people were casual encounters from Craig's List. Sooooo... poor them? They take out a personal ad to have sex with someone they do not know, and many use no protection, but the only one to blame for the public health spread is the man in the article? I don't think so.

This whole threads screams of slut shaming.
Unless I am prepared to deal with a potential STI infection or pregnancy I should not be having sex...is that what we're getting to now?

^^ This has nothing to do with slut shaming at all. Not saying people should be 100% abstinent. Sex carries risks, period. If your OK with that, then engage. Everyone who had sex with this man
assumed those risks.

Ok, I am not going back to see who posted this, but on the comment that he intentionally took out the ad on CL just to infect people. Prove that. He even said himself he was just having sex and feared if he told his partners, they would reject him. So he kept it quiet. That to me does not say he planned on taking out ads merely to go on a rampage and get as many people infected as possible. It says to me that he enjoyed casual sex, and he did not want that part of his life to end and figured it would if he disclosed that. Let's not forget the people who had their own ads out for the same purpose. Somehow he is the male slut now or a criminal?

I don't think this should be a criminal offense. People should be treating their casual sexual partners as if they DO have an STD. Just like when you bandage someone's wounds, you treat that person's blood like there is a disease.This is one of my hot button issues. We all have our own personal responsibility is preventing the spread of HIV. This is why people don't get tested. If you don't know you're positive, you don't have to worry about the heightened social burden that comes with it.

This whole article is absolute hysteria

Thous, I agree completely



Shellybear79, Babycenter 3 Comments [10/22/2017 10:23:52 AM]
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Quote# 133150

I grew up in the 70s and a teen in the 80s. NOT ONCE in all my schooling did I see any “Transgender” students, zero, nada. There were a few gays, but that was it. Why do we have children that think they are transgender? It boggles the fucking mind. We have wrapped our children’s minds beyond anything I have ever seen.

NOW we have so many “genders” if makes your head spin. What the fuck has actually happened here? Sorry, in my mind these people are all raving lunatics. We have destroyed the family, the core values of our society and it’s just progressing each year towards more and more idiocy. In a few years, it will ok to fuck your dog. There’s two genders, male and female, the fucking end.

Growing up I saw one transvestite in the city and that was it. This shit was never around anywhere I went. Now we have people who don’t know what fucking gender they are? Look between your damn legs!! Call me a Transphobe, I don’t give a flying fuck. This shit is not natural.

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 6 Comments [10/22/2017 10:21:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133311

Exodus 21:16 dictates the death penalty for kidnappers. Because every rape constitutes a kidnapping, under a biblical law, if convicted, this man should not be put in prison at innocent taxpayers' expense. He should be put to death expeditiously, per Ecclesiastes 8:11.

That the innocent (including this child's parents) are liable for the housing, clothing, feeding, and entertainment of society's criminals in an unbiblical penal system is but more evidence of the biblically seditious nature of America's Constitutional Republic. Time to get back to our true biblical foundations as evidenced in 17th-century Puritan America.

Under the Bible's juridical system prisons are superfluous. Convicted capital criminals are put to death expeditiously, per Ecclesiastes 8:11. Non-capital criminal are required to pay two to five times restitution (depending upon the nature of the crime) to their VICTIMS, per Exodus 22:1ff, etc. If a thief is unable to pay the required restitution, he's to be sold into indentured servitude until restitution has been paid, per Exodus 22:3. If he refuses to pay restitution, his contempt of court is a capital crime for which he's to be put to death expeditiously, per Deuteronomy 17:9-13.

Perfect, just like King David said it was in Psalm 19:7-11. Under such a system, crime would be all but unheard of and tax-paid-for prisons would non-existent.

For more on how Yahweh's triune moral law (His Ten Commandments and their respective statutes and judgments) applies and should be implemented today, see free online book "Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant." Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Online Books page and scroll down to title.

Then find out how much you really know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that examines the Constitution by the Bible.

Ted R. Weiland, Christian News Network 20 Comments [10/21/2017 4:33:47 PM]
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Quote# 133310

A Muslim can't marry a christian or a jew, that is too general a statement. A Muslim man can marry a chaste female christian or a jew.

And in Islam the male is head of the household, so he controls the situation. He would treat her good like he does any wife, and obviously she would be briefed on the situation and not try and be a negative influence on him or his children. Otherwise it's not appropriate to befriend females in the first place. The wife is not a teacher or a mentor, and not someone that the man looks up to for instruction in life.

As for the topic in general, you should read the entire surat Al Maa'idah, interesting verses in there regarding kuffar in general. Notice all the verses stating how they will try to steer you away from your religion, and anyone who has had dealings with kuffar must have noticed this, especially if they are religious ones. I've dealt nicely at work with religious christians before, they will try and drop hints here and there that, you know, maybe this Islamic way of doing things is not correct. Or maybe this rule here is not ideal. Actually you can see we have a couple on here already in a huff about it and we're not even their friends.

Really when dealing with these people, the vast difference between you and them should make it clear you really are a stranger, as if from another planet because of just how different their ways of thinking are, and not in a good way. The things they are fixated on, the manner with which they view the world, much of it is rejected by a Muslim and extensive dealings with them should be avoided lest you be influenced. When you go to college I think it's safe to say you will see some Muslims who do have extensive dealings with kuffar and take them as friends. Their behavior and views are commonly heavily influenced and their walaa' and baraa' completely shot.

Ail, Ummah 2 Comments [10/21/2017 4:33:45 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133309

The mistake is that astrology is not a science at all. The best explanation I ever got for astrology is it infers 'influences' which if you are not actively working towards taking advantage of then you miss the boat.

Another semi-good one is it is like the daily weather forecast. Big point is to be 'aware' and not looking for excuses for your own ignorance. If the forecast is for rain - be prepared - and bring an umbrella with you! Also, any newspaper astrology is terrible examples. The real ones - over time - prove their interpretation skills.

I have seen it work well when the astrologer truly understands their work. In all honesty though I have - after 20 years as a customer of many - found only 1 I stick with as he is 95% on the mark. One other I read (England-based) is more for added perspective but she is like 60% correct in my experience.

These millenials? Heh - good luck to them. Hillary lost because she is STILL a bad candidate - and sore loser who makes Al Gore's whining (not 'winning') in 2000 pale in comparison. Hillary is after all - a Scorpio woman. HINT: Unless you are a sadomasochist don't EVER date one. You have been warned....

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 13 Comments [10/21/2017 4:33:27 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133308

We heard for many decades that the USSR's gulags were death camps, but the actual info from soviet documents showed about 95-97% survival ratings, and those killed include executed nazi soldiers, common alleged criminals, etc. Plus the massive spike in death tolls was in the middle of WW2- exactly when resources were limited & when any captured/surrendered Nazis were being executed. ie, we were all lied to. The USSR 1940s "courts" may have been a sham, but the same is true in the USA- ask anyone black.

anticapitalist, r/DebateaCommunist 7 Comments [10/21/2017 4:33:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133306

Everything about the Left is fake. Their overriding characteristic is scorn of truth. Truth for its own sake is not even a consideration. They call themselves "liberals" though there is nothing liberal about them. They claim to be tolerant, just, and free from hate, but they are the opposite. There is also nothing "progressive" about them. They mistake iconoclasm for liberalism.

Everything about them and their policies is based on untruth--lies--distortions--deception--propaganda. Even today, when they profess such outrage at Weinstein, they pointedly ignore Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, and all the rest. They simply cannot be honest.

They also cannot be honest about Obama, his birth, his birth certificate, his college records. They worship some fantasy about him and the importance of having a President of African descent (which nobody discounts), and so important is the fantasy to them that they cannot be truthful about it or anything that threatens it. They cannot be truthful about anything. Scorn of truth is their most fundamental evil. The rest follows.

Savage Beast, Free Republic 11 Comments [10/21/2017 4:33:18 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133304

Transgenderism is a mental disorder, and should be treated as such.

caligatrux, Free Republic 8 Comments [10/21/2017 4:32:07 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133302

(This fundie is talking about Muslims)

Good God Almighty…

Am I the only person who looks at these freaks and thinks they are totally mentally ill? I can’t imagine any normal human being looking at themselves in a mirror dressed like these imbeciles and think it is a normal way to dress… They look like some form of a mutated “Creature From The Black Lagoon…”

Here’s to hoping there will come a time when these things are totally extinct…and I mean totally…not just contained in some middle eastern zoo, but eradicated from the entire face of the earth…

Amboyduke, Bare Naked Islam 11 Comments [10/21/2017 4:31:47 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133294

LEBANESE ARE CANAANITE AND PHOENICIAN, NOT ARABS!!!!! Arabs are unevolved barbarians from the desert, living proof of the damaging effects of UV radiation on the human brain. The silly religious people of the Levant will soon wake up, and maybe will reclaim their LANGUAGE too!?

Luisa Miragliotta, Youtube 9 Comments [10/21/2017 10:43:41 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 133293

When I went to school (not a faith school) we were taught only about Christianity, which then was the religion of Great Britain. The teaching of other religions which are false, was not even thought about, nor should it be. The sooner we get back to Christian Assemblies and lessons in our schools the better our nation will be.

Col, BBC Comments 9 Comments [10/21/2017 10:43:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133292

A man who showed a beheading video to a child has been jailed for six years. Pharmacist Zameer Ghumra, of Leicester, tried to brainwash primary school-age children into supporting the so-called Islamic State. Ghumra, 38, who told boys they should kill people who insulted Islam, was convicted at Nottingham Crown Court of disseminating "terrorist propaganda". Judge Gregory Dickinson QC said it was a "determined effort" to radicalise children and turn them into terrorists.

He said the targeting of children made the case "particularly serious". "These were shocking crimes which damaged the children and caused offence to the vast majority of law abiding Muslims," the judge added. He also noted there had been an "absence of remorse" from Ghumra. The court heard Ghumra posted pro ISIS content on social media.

The court heard one of the boys had been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and another was finding it difficult to sleep and was "afraid of snipers". During his trial the prosecution said Ghumra "brainwashed" the children, instructing them to not have non-Muslim friends and asking if they wanted to join IS or help recruit others to its ranks. The older boy described being shown "horrible and disgusting" beheading videos, and said he asked Ghumra "how can you behead people?". He said the pharmacist replied: "If you truly believe in Allah, you can do it."

Ghumra also followed various IS-linked social media accounts and made the two children follow similar accounts. The jury was told Ghumra had rented out houses with the intention of setting up a madrasa - an Islamic religious school. Ghumra, of Haringworth Road, was convicted of disseminating "terrorist propaganda" in the form of a graphic Twitter video on his mobile phone, between January 2013 and September 2014. Det Ch Supt Martin Snowden, head of Counter Terrorism Policing North East, said Ghumra "willingly abused a position of trust" by showing children "a violent and explicit beheading video with no regard for the profound effect the disturbing material may have on them". "That act alone is unforgivable," he added. "His teaching role increases his risk, potentially giving him direct access to young or vulnerable people who may look up to him as an authority figure."

Zameer Ghumra, BBC News 9 Comments [10/21/2017 10:42:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133289

England is so deeply infested with PC insanity that any native Englishman displaying a cross is considered engaging in "hate crimes" but if that same Englishman is stabbed to death by anyone from the ME it's excused as the victim was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Easyrhino, Disqus 6 Comments [10/21/2017 10:40:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133287

Prejudice is a mitigation strategy for a problem you didn’t know existed. You didn’t know it existed because it was confronted and resolved by your ancestors before you were born. And their solution was passed down as folk wisdom across the centuries. It is what you call your prejudice. Instead of trying to erase it, you should honour it as you would a great work of art or monument to a hero of your tribe. Because you can be sure that much suffering went into the finding of that solution. If you insist on dismantling the bulwark against harm that your prejudice represents, the harm will soon arrive unimpeded at your gates. And you will flail around desperately looking for a solution, wondering what caused this sudden new evil to emerge.

Honour Your Prejudices. They exist for a reason.

czakal, Wordpress 7 Comments [10/21/2017 10:37:00 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 133286

(commenting on story "Wyoming Man Who Identifies as Woman Convicted of Raping Girl in Residential Restroom")

Amos Moses:
SIN is SIN ..... no one is immune .......... confusion about what is evil affects everyone ..... embracing of a FALSE sexuality not of the Creator God ..... is evil ....... and the embrace of evil ........... and is SIN ............

The Pantomime Princess Margaret:
Doing what this guy did (i.e. rape) is the sin. Being transgendered, if in fact he is, isn't a "sin".

Amos Moses:
wrong .... it is a sin .... it is a forgivable sin .... ACTUALLY both are forgivable sins ..... but they are both still SIN .............

The Pantomime Princess Margaret:
No, because being transgendered only means you believe you are not the same gender on the inside as you are on the outside. It's a huge stretch to call that a sin because it's not.

Amos Moses:
"you believe you are not the same "
and it is a false belief and a sin ...............

The Pantomime Princess Margaret:
They're talking about themselves...their OWN situations. How can it be false when you're talking about yourself? Are you trying to tell me that ALL transgendered people are in on a great big conspiracy together where they are ALL lying to the world?

Amos Moses:
"They're talking about themselves...their OWN situations."
so what ........ it is a denial of science ..... it is a denial of DNA ....... it is a denial of reality ..... people have no ability to change or determine reality ........ theirs or anyone elses ...... it is sinful desire .... it is sin .... our "feels" are not a determining factor of truth .........

The Pantomime Princess Margaret:
No, the only one denying science here is yourself. Your arbitrary definition of SIN is what's causing the problem here. You can only talk about your own reality, not someone else's. I don't know what it's like to be transgender either, but that doesn't mean I tell the people who are experiencing it that they are touchy-feely liars. I leave it to the experts in the scientific field. So should you.

Amos Moses:
nope .... i deny FALSE science ..... and saying we have any input into out gender is pure false science and fantasy and sin .........

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 15 Comments [10/21/2017 10:36:55 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 133284










Adam Ford, Adam4d 16 Comments [10/21/2017 10:30:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 133283



Adam Ford, Adam4d 10 Comments [10/21/2017 10:30:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 133282

[age of the universe]

It's simple to get a fairly accurate measurement. Count the generations (32 years average between generations) from Jesus back to Adam. Keep in mind the preflood extended ages, and voila. You have a fairly accurate estimate of 6500 years. Science has honed it to 6854 years using radiometric dating.

anonymous, Y! answers 12 Comments [10/21/2017 10:30:16 AM]
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Quote# 133281

Certainly there is merit in your comment, Oopster, that “it would be better to speak to a trained counsellor who will listen to the person and ask the right questions, never guiding them in one direction or another.” If that is so, however, can you address for us why it is that trans-activists have mounted a (largely successful) drive to make sure that never happens?

Legislatures across the United States have uncritically accepted the notion of banning “conversion therapy” that at least arguably includes any effort to reconcile a minor with his/her birth sex – or to take anything other than the “gender affirmative” approach with clients. It’s a problem with the legislation; the bills are all modeled after one put forward by the National Center for “Lesbian” Rights, and the language is so unclear that no therapist can know exactly what is or what is not prohibited. It seems pretty clear from the face of it that at the least there’s a serious question as to whether anything besides gender affirmation is permitted. Certainly a cautious therapist could assume that discussions of a full and fair review of the decision, in light of all the facts, would be prohibited under the law.

So what about that? Why exactly is it that the trans-activist community is so threatened by the idea that people should explore all possible causes, and options, for reconciling gender dysphoria, in addition to those presented by medical transition? Certainly pretty much everyone can agree that medical transition will entail some fairly serious and potentially detrimental physical consequences. Why is it that those consequences are to be embraced and promoted to the exclusion of all other less intrusive means?

worriedmom, 4thwavenow 4 Comments [10/21/2017 10:30:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133280

Has anyone ever explained exactly what is wrong with being trans-exclusionary? They're mostly big, scary and mentally unstable, clowns without a circus. Quiet as it's kept, NOBODY really thinks they're women.

linfan1, r/GenderCritical 14 Comments [10/21/2017 10:30:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133279

I had the "pleasure" of witnessing a coercion for abortion today.
A young woman was discussing her options with her "man," and I waved them over to talk to me. The woman smiled and seemed relieved to have someone with other options to talk to. As she made her way towards me, two deathscorts intercepted her and blocked me with their umbrellas. Another "man" got out of a separate car, and the four disgusting pro-aborts escorted her into the abortuary, head down.
A few minutes later, she came back out to talk to her "man," whereby the four lovers of baby-killing again surrounded her and "escorted" her back in. Nobody physically forced her or put their hands on her - they just guided her in and "discouraged" her from coming over to hear her other options. For that reason, I could not call the police.
No matter what any pro-abort says, there is no such thing as a "pro-choicer." If you support abortion "rights," you necessarily support this kind of coercion, because you support the CHOICE of what the deathscorts and bro choicers did - all perfectly legal.
And THAT is just one more reason (among thousands) for the incredible depravity of pro-aborts.

WorldGoneCrazy-NotMurderedYet, Live Action News 10 Comments [10/21/2017 10:29:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 133278

I agree with you completely. I think TERF as a label scares women away from even engaging with radical thought at all, lest they become one of the punchable, rapeable women. It's really a brilliant propaganda campaign to keep people from listening to us at all, because if they did, 15 seconds of critical thought would undermine a lot of the gender identity doctrine.

ma-vie-en-rose, r/GenderCritical 5 Comments [10/21/2017 10:29:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133277

I think a lot of them do get it, but they prefer to lie about it. Trans doctrine does not hold up to scrutiny - it is inconsistent, contradictory, revolves around male fantasies and fetishes, is not supported by any serious science.

All they have is their bullshit propaganda: "terfs are murdering us - omg h8ters - ciswhite blah blah - exclusionary !" What is a "TERF" in reality ? Any woman who knows how babies are made and thinks that we have a right to our boundaries (ie to say "no thanks" to dick)

endthewoo, r/GenderCritical 6 Comments [10/21/2017 10:29:39 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie