Quote# 128289

[From "Letter on my discovery of the Auschwitz crematoria building plans" to Lady Michèle Renouf, notorious Holocaust denier who asked for a "real" proof for the Shoah]

to Lady Michèle Renouf

Dear Michèle,

Yes, I am the one who discovered the plans of the Auschwitz crematoria. It was in 1976 on my second visit to the camp; my first visit was in 1975.

I haven’t the time to explain to you how I managed to find, on March 19, 1976, all those plans and many other items at the Auschwitz archives centre, where I met Tadeusz Iwaszko, chief archivist at the Auschwitz State Museum.

For years I tried to publish the plans in question. Impossible. One day a friend told me he knew a Spanish journalist who perhaps would agree to publish an interview with me, along with some photos. The newspaper was the Spanish magazine Interviu. The journalist was Vicente Ortuno and the photographer was Jean Marie Pulm. They came to Vichy. They promised me and my friend not to publish any photo of my face, and that an agreement would be signed before any publication. In fact they lied. They quickly published what you can see in Interviu (22-28 February 1979, p. 64-66; please see the reproductions below). In the article I am described as a sadistic Nazi. I have the French translation of that article but it is of no interest. I filed a lawsuit in Paris. I won my case but the amount of damages was ridiculous (the presiding judge was a Jewess by the name of Simone Rozès).

So it was that the Holo Believers had been sitting on those plans for over 30 years after the war. Question: "How is it that the Jews and the Communists decided to hide the plans showing the alleged crime weapon?" The answer is that those plans showed clearly that the alleged homicidal gas chambers were rooms designed and used as mortuaries (or places to keep bodies before their incineration), exactly as, for example, in the Sachsenhausen camp near Berlin (there, the big Leichenkeller was made up of three different rooms: one for bodies in coffins, one for bodies not in coffins and another, equipped with a special isolation system, for contaminated bodies). This kind of place was called a Leichenhalle ("corpse hall") or Leichenkeller ("corpse cellar").

Isn't it odd that the man who had discovered and tried to publish such things was a revisionist, i.e. a non-believer?

In the large photo in Interviu I am seen showing Leichenkeller 1 of crematorium II in Auschwitz-Birkenau; that crematorium was situated near the football field (Sportplatz) where the inmates played soccer matches; sometimes the ball fell into the courtyard of the crematorium and had to be retrieved from there.

In the same photo, behind me can be seen two other plans.

On March 19, 1976 I ordered and paid for 116 photos (I still have the bill) but afterwards I had some serious trouble getting them sent from Poland to Vichy. I had to ask the French Consulate in Cracow to intervene. Of course, to none of those people in Communist Poland had I disclosed that I was a revisionist.

In the smaller photo I am showing Serge Klarsfeld’s book, Mémorial de la déportation des juifs de France (1978), and explaining some of the tricks played by that fraudster in his book.

As soon as they learnt of the Interviu article, the Holo Believers began publishing the same drawings but not without explaining to readers that they had to understand that the German terms were code words which, consequently, needed decoding. Jean-Claude Pressac harboured a predilection for that sort of job, particularly in his enormous book entitled Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the gas chambers, published in 1989 by the Beate Klarsfeld foundation in New York. But, as you probably know, Pressac ended up recanting his views and, on June 15, 1995 (a month after I had made him testify in a case brought against me [for my Réponse à Jean-Claude Pressac (1994)], signed a paper in which he finally said that the official version of Nazi concentration camp history was "rotten" (pourri) and good only for the "rubbish bins of history" (poubelles de l’histoire). That recantation of his was kept hidden for five years and made public only in March 2000 by a conventional historian, Valérie Igounet, at the very end of her book, Histoire du négationnisme en France, Seuil (Paris), p. 651-652.

Best wishes,

Robert Faurisson
Vichy, July 13, 2009

Robert Faurisson, Robert Faurisson 6 Comments [6/21/2017 3:42:34 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 128273

(OP is actually a leftist and has a Che Guevara quote in her twitter bio, in case there's any confusion)

Hi to all the liberals saying they are #AllRepublicansToday

What if I told you, you are actually Republicans everyday?

It's true.

Kiran Opal, Twitter 7 Comments [6/21/2017 3:38:06 AM]
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Quote# 128343

Religion and religious freedom gone wild

The First Amendment guarantees Americans the freedom of religion in the “establishment” clause:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Words matter, so the first question that must be answered is a matter of definition.

What is religion?

The dictionary defines religion as:

1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
2. A particular system of faith and worship.
3. A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes superhuman importance.

Dictionaries have been used for centuries to help codify the meaning of words in an attempt to make language useful. Without accepted specific meanings for words it is impossible to communicate through language effectively. Language is the common denominator of speech. Even biblical stories express the importance of the meaning of words as they are understood or misunderstood in any language. The most famous example is the biblical story of The Tower of Babel that begins with everyone on Earth speaking the same language and able to understand each other. Whether the scattering of people around the world was a punishment for hubris or not, the consequence was that people began speaking different languages and could no longer understand each other.

But what happens when people speaking the same language no longer understand each other because they interpret the meaning of the same words differently? That is the situation we are facing in contemporary American society today.

The second question that must be answered is a matter of interpretation.

What does religion mean to you?

Thomas Jefferson wrote eloquently on the subject in an 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists who worried about their minority status in Connecticut. Jefferson was reassuring the Baptists that being a minority religion would not be a problem in a Protestant majority state as far as the federal government was concerned.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”, thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. (Wikipedia)

Jefferson’s letter clearly indicates that for Jefferson, religion was a matter of Man and God. Jefferson’s interpretation was the widely accepted and understood view of religion in the early 18th century. By the 20th century the U.S. Supreme Court “incorporated” the Establishment Clause and expanded its application from the federal government to the state governments as well.

Practical application

The practical application of the freedom of religion also requires a uniform understanding of the meaning and interpretation of the word religion. The Exercise Clause clarifies the supremacy of Constitutional laws and freedoms over religious laws and freedoms. This is particularly important in contemporary America because we are facing “religious” practices of Islam that threaten our Constitutional freedoms.

The Free Exercise Clause distinguishes between religions beliefs and religious practices. It is the equivalence of distinguishing between thinking and doing. In America an individual is free to think murderous thoughts but he is not free to murder. Islam is a religion governed by religious Sharia Law that endorses honor killings, female genital mutilation, murder of apostates, murder of homosexuals, wife beatings, child marriage and pedophilia. American jurisprudence does not have the will or authority to change people’s beliefs. This applies equally to citizens of the United States, guests in this country, illegal aliens, or citizens of other countries. But we most certainly have the right and legal obligation to disallow any and all practices in conflict with the U.S. Constitution and our cultural norms. Free Exercise Clause (Wikipedia)

“Freedom of religion means freedom to hold an opinion or belief, but not to take action in violation of social duties or subversive to good order.”[28] In Reynolds v. United States (1878), the Supreme Court found that while laws cannot interfere with religious belief and opinions, laws can be made to regulate some religious practices (e.g., human sacrifices, and the Hindu practice of suttee). The Court stated that to rule otherwise, “would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect permit every citizen to become a law unto himself. Government would exist only in name under such circumstances.”[29]

Words mean things

In Cantwell v. Connecticut (1940), the Court held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applied the Free Exercise Clause to the states. While the right to have religious beliefs is absolute, the freedom to act on such beliefs is not absolute. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/310/296/case.html

In Jefferson’s time as in Truman’s time the meaning of the word religion included items 1 and 2:

1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
2. A particular system of faith and worship.

Seventy years later in 2017 we must reconsider the meaning of the word religion and ask the question:

What is Islam?

Islam is not a religion like Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, or Judaism. Instead, Islam is a unified supremacist socio-political system with a military wing and a religious wing. Islam features religious sharia law. The goal of Islam since the 7th century is to make the world Islamic and impose sharia law worldwide.

Islam is tyrannical in its demand for conformity to its barbaric sharia laws. It is also intolerant. Islam is a political force seeking world dominion. So we cannot allow it religious protections like the Baptists in Connecticut during Jefferson’s times.

Islam is far more like the Nazis during Hitler’s time. Consider this question. What if Hitler declared Nazism to be a religion. It certainly qualifies as a religion according to Item 3. A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes superhuman importance.

Suppose Adolph Hitler declared his Nazism a religion. Then would the left-wing liberal apologists for Islam defend Nazism? Would they defend its determination to rule the world and rid the Earth of every Jew? Would the lefty-wing liberals declare murder of Jews protected by religious freedom? How is this different from allowing Muslims to perpetrate honor killings, female genital mutilation, murder of apostates, murder of homosexuals, wife beatings, child marriage, and pedophilia?

There is no difference.

Apologists for Islamic barbarity claim that Islamists have perverted their religion. If so, it is also true that they have perverted our concept of religious freedom. Islam is not a religion like any other. Moreover its savage practices do not deserve protection under our religious freedom laws and the free exercise clause.

Linda Goudsmit, Conservative News and Views 23 Comments [6/20/2017 9:54:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128342

"I can't notice the social engineering and brainwashing I'm afflicted with until I see a movie from a few decades ago" - the comic

[Comic from Tumblr about how sketchy 90's movies may come off as now]

nontolerantman, Twitter 10 Comments [6/20/2017 9:54:50 AM]
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Quote# 128341

'Church of Bleach': ABC News confronts founder of Genesis II Church

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Earlier in 2016, Eyewitness News got an inside look at the "Church of Bleach," where believers claim their "miracle potion" can cure anything from cancer to the common cold.

The Genesis II Church of Health and Healing believes that MMS, which is essentially industrial bleach, is a religious sacrament.

The church excommunicated an Eyewitness News producer after she went undercover armed with her iPhone at a seminar in Costa Mesa.

Their founder, Jim Humble, is a former Scientologist who claims he's a billion-year-old god from the Andromeda galaxy.

"And then I asked to be put in the part of the space navy that watched over Earth," Humble, the self-proclaimed Archbishop of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing claims in a video.

Humble also claims he discovered the miracle potion in the jungles of South America.

"I just treated 800 cases of HIV just recently in Africa, every one of them came out good," Humble is heard stating in another video.

Eyewitness News met Archbishop Mark Grenon, who was peddling the potion at a Genesis II seminar in Costa Mesa back in January.

"Tell them Jesus heals you while you drink this," our cameras captured Grenon telling the seminar.

Believers said the "miracle mineral solution," or MMS, is their religious sacrament. They believe it's a cure for many illnesses and diseases, from cancer to HIV, autism, leukemia, the common cold and even hair loss.

"He wrote me, 'I coughed up a tumor,'" Grenon read to the seminar. "'The doctor was flabbergasted. The tumor is gone.'"

PART 1: Eyewitness News investigates Genesis II Church of Health and Healing

In a yearlong undercover investigation, Eyewitness News dug deep into the unorthodox underworld of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing.

But MMS is made up of potentially toxic chemicals and a FDA warning calls MMS a "potent bleach."

Sodium chlorite, the main chemical used to cook the controversial concoction, is typically used in waste-water treatment and hydraulic fracking.

"It's not toxic, it's not dangerous at all," Grenon told those in attendance at the seminar.

ABC News Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross caught up with Grenon outside the seminar in Costa Mesa.

"Are you telling people you can cure breast cancer with this?" Ross asked Grenon.

"We tell people we cure a lot of things, heal, cure, treat. I can cure all of those," Grenon responded.

"You can treat all of those diseases? Breast cancer?" Ross asked.

"Yeah," Grenon answered.

Back inside the seminar, our undercover Eyewitness News producer caught Grenon's angry reaction to his interaction with Ross.

"I hope they think I'm a raving lunatic. I really do," Grenon said. "He won't put up what I said... I'll be shocked if they put that on."

PART 2: Eyewitness News investigates Genesis II Church of Health and Healing

In a yearlong undercover investigation, Eyewitness News dug deep into the unorthodox underworld of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing. (Part 2)

Ross was able to track down Humble outside Guadalajara, Mexico.

"The government says what you're selling is poison. That you're hurting people, that you're hurting children. There may have been deaths. What do you say about that?" Ross asked.

"I say it ain't true," Humble answered.

Humble admitted to Ross that he gets a financial cut from the MMS seminars and stands by the health claims.

"It cures cancer? It cures diabetes? It cures autism?" Ross asked Humble.

"It cures all of those things, yes," Humble responded.

"You really believe that?" Ross asked.

"The body heals itself," Humble attempted to explain.

"Where did you study medicine?" Ross asked.

"I didn't study medicine. I'm not a doctor and I'm proud of it," Humble said.

In a newsletter published on Wednesday, Humble acknowledges the investigation by ABC News and clarified his stance on MMS. His newsletter read in part:

"There are certainly times I have said some things that I probably should have said differently. For lack of a better way to express things at the time-or because others put words in my mouth, in the past I have stated that MMS cures most of all diseases. Today, I say that MMS cures nothing! MMS serves as a tool to kill pathogens and oxidize poisons in the body which allows the body to heal the body. We live in a toxic world and we are fortunate to have MMS, as well as various other important health tools, to combat the ill effects of poor foods, and chemicals that make us sick."

Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, Eyewitness News 17 Comments [6/20/2017 9:54:33 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128325








Filed under #acab

wetwareproblem, tumblr 19 Comments [6/19/2017 9:46:00 PM]
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Quote# 128324

Let's say someone horribly bullies you. One day you see the bully about to die and they are begging for your help (they are still yelling at you and calling you names as they do this) , would you help them or would you leave the bully to die?

Ayin: I’d try to save them, because frankly death over bullying is not a line I’d be willing to cross.
Ashlyn: Except I’d take front and back off. While leaving someone to die is a moral failure, you’re trying to go into a lethal situation with someone who is still an active threat and who has displayed worse ethics. We have no guarantee we’d come out alive. Defend the system at all costs.





in another post

if you believe you are allowed to be offensive and rude to cis people you are a fucking hypocrite. you want equality? then treat people how you want to be treated.

If you believe trans people’s safety and equality should depend on how polite they are to you, you’re a fucking terrible human being.

wetwareproblem, tumblr 14 Comments [6/19/2017 9:45:51 PM]
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Quote# 128323

We're here as witnesses to the truth of Jesus Christ, and he's already made those judgements. He said, Jesus said, "Abortion is murder, homosexuality is a sin, Islam is a lie, evolution is a delusion, feminism is rebellion" and we can pitch on that, "liberalism is false religion and conservatism is pretend salt".

'Coach' Dave Daubenmire, Facebook video 23 Comments [6/19/2017 9:45:45 PM]
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Submitted By: Citizen Justin

Quote# 128320

[Bob Blaylock continues his crusade against anti-discrimination laws.]

Bob Blaylock:
The First Amendment explicitly protects freedom of religion and expression (including nonexpression), and strongly implies freedoms of thought, conscience, and association.

Ambulance Chaser:
Yes, but it doesn't specify where the line gets drawn when that right conflicts with other rights.

Bob Blaylock:
Forcing a baker, or any other businessman, to give support to a sick, immoral homosexual mockery of a wedding, in violation of his own religious and moral values, as a condition of being allowed to make a living, blatantly violates the First Amendment.

Ambulance Chaser:
No it doesn't. The Supreme Court ruled in Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States that the First Amendment didn't forbid the government from passing laws that forced public accommodations to serve a specified class of clientele.

Bob Blaylock:
There is no right to another person's labor. Nothing in the Constitution implies or hints at any such right.

There is no legitimate basis on which to conclude that a nonexistent right, nowhere stated, implied, nor even hinted at in the Constitution, can take precedence over a genuine right, explicitly stated or strongly implied in the Constitution.

Ambulance Chaser:
The "legitimate basis" is that the Supreme Court ruled it. You can disagree with the ruling all you want but it's there and it's law, and your disagreement is irrelevant to American jurisprudence.

Bob Blaylock:
The Supreme Court does not have the authority—no matter how many times it has gotten away with illegally usurping it—to override the Constitution. No part of the Constitution can legitimately be overridden or overturned by anything short of a Constitutional Amendment

TheKingofRhye:
They don't "override" the Constitution, they interpret it.

Bob Blaylock:
Calling a thing by a different name doesn't change what it is.

When the courts “interpret” the Constitution to mean something contrary to what it clearly says, then they are overriding it, and engaging in open corruption and malfeasance.

Ambulance Chaser:
I don't understand what kind of system you think we run. Do you think that Supreme Court rulings are only valid conditionally? Who gets to determine when rulings are valid or not? Any random person? Is our system just anarchy?

Bob Blaylock:
The Constitution is the highest law, and all public servants, in all levels of government, are under a sworn duty to uphold, obey, and defend it. Any act of any public servant, which violates the Constitution, is invalid and illegal. This certainly includes the acts of corrupt judges who “interpret” the Constitution contrary to what it clearly says.

There is a problem, of course, when those who we charge with the duty of upholding the law choose, instead, to pervert and violate it.

Ambulance Chaser:
Still not answering my question, just soapboxing.

Bob Blaylock:
It's unclear what answer you are expecting, or what answer would satisfy you. The Constitution is the highest law; and you seem bent on arguing that it is subordinate to the wills of corrupt judges who would “interpret” it away from its clear meaning. You are simply wrong in that position.

Ambulance Chaser:
No, I'm asking you who makes the final decision about what the Constitution means. You keep saying that the judges are corrupt. Who decides that? You? Who determines when judges' rulings can be ignored because they're "corrupt?"

Bob Johnson:
Certainly some interpretation is required. What does “press” in the 1st Amendment or “his” in the 6th Amendment mean? However, in this case, it seems that what is clear to you is not the same as what is clear to several courts with scores of judges over several decades.

Bob Blaylock:
To a very limited degree, yes, some legitimate interpretation is called for. But then we have plenty of instances where the Constitution is absolutely clear on a matter, and we have courts trying to twist it to mean something other than what it says. Consider the Second Amendment. We have courts, up to and including the Supreme Court, issuing rulings about when and where and how the government may infringe the people's right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment already clarified that. Government is forbidden from infringing this right at all. Period. Yet the courts and other parts of government absolutely refuse to obey this part of the Constitution.

The First Amendment is clear about religious freedom, freedom of expression, and freedom of association. And yet our government violates these rights, in order to uphold fake “rights” that are nowhere even hinted at in the Constitution. This is not “interpretation”; it is corruption and malfeasance.

Bob Blaylock, Christian News Network 13 Comments [6/19/2017 9:45:03 PM]
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Quote# 128316

An Arkansas lawmaker who owns a day care where a child died in a hot van previously fought a proposal that might have saved the boy’s life.

State Rep. Dan Sullivan (R-Jonesboro) is the chief executive officer of Ascent, a child care organization where 5-year-old Christopher Gardner died last week after spending eight hours strapped in a booster seat as the heat index soared over 100 degrees, reported KATV-TV.

Four employees of the West Memphis facility have been charged with manslaughter in the boy’s death.

“Staff did not follow company policies and procedures, and if they had, this tragedy would not have occurred,” Sullivan said in a statement.

He later offered to pay the boy’s funeral expenses, but the family declined.

“It didn’t take them but two minutes or one minute to go back and get off they lazy ass and go see where the kids at — they didn’t check for my grandbaby?” said the boy’s grandmother, Carrie Smith.

Sullivan asked the Arkansas Early Childhood Commission last year to reduce a requirement that at least half of child care employees at any facility be certified in CPR and first aid.

Four of the commissioners told KATV that Sullivan questioned whether the oversight body should exist after they refused to cut the requirement, and he sponsored a bill stripping the commission of its authority to regulate child care centers.

That measure became law, the only bill sponsored by Sullivan to pass during that legislative session.

Sullivan drew national attention in 2001, when he suspended an 8-year-old boy from school for three days for pointing a chicken finger at a teacher and saying, “Pow, pow, pow.”

The former principal justified the suspension under a zero-tolerance policy enacted at South School after two teens killed four classmates and a teacher and wounding 10 other students in 1998 at Jonesboro’s Westside Middle School.

The same Ascent facility where the boy died last week experienced a shigella outbreak in April, sickening nearly 40 children and employees, and the facility was temporarily closed Wednesday to stop the continued spread of the bacterial infection, reported Arkansas Times.

The Department of Human Services has also launched an investigation into Ascent for possible Medicaid fraud after the boy’s death.

A spokeswoman for DHS told the Arkansas Times that the boy had been inaccurately marked as present in class, which would have made the day care center eligible for reimbursement, raising concerns about the facility’s Medicaid procedures.

Dan Sullivan, Raw Story 14 Comments [6/19/2017 2:46:03 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128315

The National Organization for Marriage has struggled in recent years to populate its annual anti-marriage-equality March for Marriage, with especially dismal turnout last year for the first march since the Supreme Court effectively made marriage equality the law of the land. But this year’s march reached a new low, as waning enthusiasm for the cause and what NOM president Brian Brown said were scheduling and permit troubles combined to produce a crowd of about 50.

Fifteen minutes before the event was scheduled to begin, about 20 adults were milling around an empty stage while several children worked to unfurl large red and blue banners to carry during the march. One passerby wondered whether they were going to a kite festival. Gradually, a few more participants arrived, including five men wearing the signature capes of the group Tradition, Family and Property and carrying a “Honk for Traditional Marriage” sign.

While in previous years, the March for Marriage’s numbers have been increased by various church-sponsored buses and a large contingent bused in by New York state Sen. Ruben Diaz, this year there appeared to be no large groups.

Brown told the crowd not to be discouraged by their small numbers, comparing their cause to that of abolitionists in the 18th and early 19th century.

“We are on the side of truth,” he said. “We are on the side of true human rights, we are on the side of true civil rights. And in every fight for civil rights, it took a creative minority who were willing to stand up and speak truth to power no matter what the cost. And you know what? There may not be thousands of us here today. It doesn’t matter. There were only a few that stood with William Wilberforce when he stood up and said ‘no’ to the slave trade in England. He was mocked, he was derided, he was laughed at. We remember him as a hero now, because ultimately his life’s work was successful, but it wasn’t successful in his own lifetime.”

“Every year, we’re going to be here whether there’s thousands or hundreds or tens” of people, he said.

Brown insisted that the Supreme Court “did not and could not and will not change the nature of marriage” but has instead “put a lie within the law.”

He warned that Americans are now experiencing the “consequences of that lie” and that “the brave new world that we predicted is happening,” in what he warned was the rise of “three-person marriage” and attacks on religious liberty.

He told the crowd that he would keep working to overturn the Obergefell marriage equality decision and would be ready to advance a state same-sex marriage ban to get a case before the Supreme Court at the right time.

“The court has been wrong and wrong time and time again,” he said, citing the rulings in Dred Scott, Buck v. Bell and Roe v. Wade. “And guess what? The court has overturned its own rulings that were wrong. It’s going to take another justice, maybe two. It may take 20 years, maybe more. ”

“I firmly believe that with God’s grace, we are going to correct this illegitimate court decision,” he said.

Brown pointed to his many travels overseas, where he works to unite global anti-LGBTQ leaders with the World Congress of Families, saying that while the U.S. has “made a very damaging mistake” at home, “around the world, good things are happening.” He mentioned the recent WCF conference in Hungary, which has restricted marriage in its constitution, and travels to Romania and Taiwan, where he met recently with activists working to overturn a court ruling granting marriage rights to same-sex couples.

Longtime NOM strategist Frank Schubert also addressed the rally, calling the Obergefell decision “anti-constitutional” and “illegitimate” and saying that “it will only take one new justice on the Supreme Court” to reverse it.

Brown also invited three African-American anti-marriage-equality activists to speak, including Eric Wallace of Freedom’s Journal Institute, a cosponsor of the march. Wallace hosted a Black Conservative Summit in Washington this week that was billed as a regional event for Brown’s World Congress of Families.

Another participant in Wallace’s summit, Denise Walker of Everlasting Light Ministries, told the NOM crowd that Americans in general, and African-Americans in particular, have turned their back on the “God who delivered us out of slavery” and “later brought the Civil Right’s Movement.”

“We left God,” she said, “then we allowed ourselves to be aligned with ungodly movements. This gay rights movement is ungodly, it’s from the pit of hell.”

National Organization for Marriage, Right Wing Watch 18 Comments [6/19/2017 2:45:09 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128314

Religious Right activist “Coach” Dave Daubenmire and a few dozen fellow anti-LGBTQ protestors descended on the Pride Parade in Columbus, Ohio, over the weekend to declare “the truth” and preach the Gospel to the participants and spectators. On his “Pass The Salt Live” webcast this morning, Daubenmire spent a good bit of time ripping the “cowards” in the church who were too afraid to join them in “the devil’s den” but are more than willing to criticize their tactics.

“The enemy is serious as hell,” Daubenmire stated, lamenting that most Christians do not realize that “we’re at war” with the demonic LGBTQ agenda.

Daubenmire fumed that when he began using a bullhorn to preach his message, the “reprobates” at the parade began to loudly sing “Jesus Loves Me” in an effort to drown him out.

“For those of you who think we need to go to the parade to tell them that Jesus loves them, they already got that,” Daubenmire said to his Christian critics. “This was a battleground, this was a war room.”

“Keep your daggone mouth shut,” Daubenmire said to the “Monday morning quarterbacks” who are “sitting up in the cheap seats” while he and his fellow anti-LGBTQ activist are out fighting on the front lines. “You ain’t got any idea! Keep your mouth shut! You ain’t got any idea what the enemy’s like.”

“You ain’t got any idea of the war that’s raging outside the four walls of the church,” Daubenmire screamed. “Pollyanna, stick-your-head-in-the-sand ostriches! That’s all you are! That’s all you are. ‘Well, just share the love of Jesus with them.’ Hey, they think Jesus loves them; they think we’re the evil ones! Don’t you understand what’s going on? Don’t you know it’s a war? Don’t you know they want your children? Don’t you know they’re occupying your pulpits? Don’t you understand that those same people singing ‘Jesus loves you this I know’ want to kill us?”

Dave Daubenmire, Right Wing Watch 15 Comments [6/19/2017 2:45:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128308

Llod Pye's work showed we didn't evolve from apes. And there were ET's on this planet. Evolution is a naturally occurring phenomena however how it occurs and why is were they get it wrong and their interpretation of its meaning is their own ego and lack of understanding. I read a critic of Darwinism in a book on genetics'. It takes as much faith to believe in Darwinism as it does jesus. Darwinism today is now the vanguard of this strange materialist Marxist cult of neo-atheism.

HP Mageson666, Joy of Satan 7 Comments [6/19/2017 1:53:14 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 128307

[From a "prophecy interview" with River Phoenix's ghost, called River Bares All]


Q: You know how everyone was suspecting you and Keanu of
being gay. Was it true?
A: Keanu and I were like close brothers. We did love each other, but not in that way. We both wanted to buck the System. We wanted to get away from the image that they tried to give us, the labels that they tried to hang on us. We made the mistake of making that movie, My Own Private Idaho. It was very degrading, degenerate. That was the movie I'm the most sorry for, because of the effect it had - not only on my life, as that movie was my downfall - but it also affected others' lives, as we were telling them that it's okay to be gay.
Well, it's not okay! It's filthy! And that movie was my biggest mistake, for which I'm very sorry! Keanu and I made a decision that we wouldn't speak up against gays, which in itself is saying that it's okay. And I'm sorry for that. But, no, we are not [gays]. We were just very close friends, and I love him very much.

Q: I was wondering if you ever thought back to when you were younger, and in the Family. Did you believe anything that people told you about your past?
A: I was very young when my parents left the Family. It was very confusing for me because they had taught me to love the Lord, and to love Grandpa, Papa Lion.And I did. I loved him very much, and everything the Family stood for. My sister and I would perform on the streets, singing and playing guitar, and we really enjoyed it. We were very happy. It was beautiful. People loved us and we were very fulfilled.
Then suddenly they uprooted us and went back to the System, back to the Whore, back to America. They started teaching us new things, different things, things that were contrary to what we had learned in the Family. And slowly, slowly we drifted away. Our beliefs changed, our faith changed, and as I got older I started to hear negative things about the Family.
It was sad, because my faith had died. But deep inside my heart I still loved Jesus. Deep inside my heart I still wanted what I had had as a child. I wanted that freedom. I wanted to be able to serve the Lord, like you guys, but it was all very confusing to me. I was very confused, and very lonely. And though I was very famous and made lots of money, I was very lonely, and cried and cried and cried.

Q: Is there meaning to the name
"Hollywood"?
A: Hollywood is a spiritual place - a wicked, spiritual place. It's very anti-Christ, and it's run by anti-Christs who are trying to infiltrate the world with their propaganda. It's very rare that they give any credit or glory to Jesus.
Usually they defame Him, and spit on His name. It is a wicked place, and that's why there are certain ones that the Lord lays on your heart to pray for. He asks you to pray for some of those who He knows are searching for deliverance, for the truth, for a way out, from that den of iniquity. But God will have His way. You'll see. He will destroy that place for the evil it has spread throughout the world.

Q: Is there anything you think it's especially important for us Family teens to know?
A: When I died I was only 23, so I was just coming out of teenhood. When I came to Heaven, the Lord gave me the opportunity to serve Him with the Family, because of the prayers that were prayed for me. I was able to work along with some of the teens then who had come to Heaven, some of the kids that were Here, and later the girls from the Austin accident.
I saw the potential that the Family teens have. I saw what I could have had, had I grown up in the Family. I saw that a lot of young people in the Family feel unhappy and discontented, and compare themselves with those in the System.--And sometimes they compare themselves negatively.

Q: If you had a chance to redo it all, would you choose to stay in the Family? Like, we wouldn't have you talking, you wouldn't be here talking and all that. So would you redo it to stay in the Family, or redo it the same way you did it so we would have this chance?
A: If I had a chance to go back and do it all over, I would stay in the Family, because there is no greater calling on this Earth than to serve the Lord. And there's no greater place to serve the Lord on this Earth than in the Family. So that would be my greatest desire. But if I had a chance to come back and live my life the same way I did, then I would do it differently too.

"River Phoenix", Free Zine 31 20 Comments [6/19/2017 1:53:06 PM]
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Quote# 128305

We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals’ best interests if the institution of “pet keeping”—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as “pets”—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as “surplus.”

This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. They are restricted to human homes, where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives but are not able to survive on their own in the wild, dogs, cats, or birds, whose strongest desire is to be free, must be confined to houses, yards, or cages for their own safety.

PETA, PETA 19 Comments [6/19/2017 1:41:29 PM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 128304

My teacher is the Christ, so yes, of course I take his word for it. He is my only leader and king.

Ashera has no importance in scripture, any more than any other false gods.

All my teachings come from Jehovah, through his son, scripture and holy spirit.

I am avoiding nothing, you are dragging in complete irrelevances.

John 6:45
ASV(i) 45 It is written in the prophets (Isaiah 54:13) , And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me.

I have listened to Jehovah, and have been drawn to Christ as a servant for him.

John 6:44
ASV(i) 44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.

True, I have accepted help and guidance from the JWs, and others at times, but the bible is the deciding factor. Anything taught me by anyone, which does not agree with scripture is rejected out of hand., Hence I truly am "taught by Jehovah".

You try to be so clever, and all you do is make yourself look ever more dumb.

There is no such thing as a self appointed expert on scripture. You are either appointed by Jehovah, or you never truly get to be an expert.

"Self" is a word which does not belong in the hearts and minds of followers of Christ, nor in their dictionaries. Self is what we have to abandon.

MadCornishBiker , Debate.org 4 Comments [6/19/2017 1:41:21 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 128301

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MUZZZZZZZZZZZZ SCUM, Godlike Productions 15 Comments [6/19/2017 1:40:09 PM]
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Quote# 128299

[Posted about a year ago]


[deleted], r/The_Donald 9 Comments [6/19/2017 1:39:48 PM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 128297



Mr Americana, Overpasses for America 12 Comments [6/19/2017 1:38:55 PM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 128296

Not a Slippery Slope? LGBTQ Are Now Going After Children!

I remember when proponents of the so-called LGBT movement said that they needed hate laws to “protect” them, and they got it. I remember when LGBT wanted “gay marriage,” insisting it was not a sexual “slippery slope;” and they got it. Now it’s legal to have sex with animals in Canada and now they’re coming after your children.

irst of all, I don’t care what your sexual orientation is; exposing children to sexuality (homo or hetero) only helps desensitize pedophilia. And now that the organized LGBTQ movement have achieved all its past supposed grievances (hate crime bill, gay marriage, etc), what else do they have to fight for?

Lest we forget that we’re talking about a group of people (LGBTQ) who define their life’s identity on how they like to f*ck. And if one’s existence is defined by lust and carnality, then what does that truly say about one’s modus operandi? Below is a video that may answer that question.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhxGTqRFjzY

What you just witnessed is a microcosm of the slippery slope” that the LGBTQ movement said was a rhetorical figment of religious imaginations over 20 years ago. That “rhetorical figment” has become reality. Are we, as mature adults who are supposed to protect children, just going to accept this pro-pedo behavior? Is this the reason why the Leftist LGBTQ movement champions Islam and the protection of its sexually accepted practices?

This is NOT a Right or Left political issue! You are either pro-pedophile or you believe (like I do) that pedophilia should be an automatic death sentence. This is the last line of morality left in our morally bankrupt society. If we cross this line, what will be next? Legalized sex sacrifices, cannibalism and/or necrophilia? Don’t think it’s out of the question! Everyone ignored the “slippery slope” the last time.

Ghost


Ghost, Ghost.Report 10 Comments [6/19/2017 1:38:23 PM]
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Quote# 128290

(tellville): Now, it seems to me, a consistent Baptist would acknowledge that Babies dying in infancy go to Hell, including the children of believers. I (currently) don't see any Biblical evidence that seems to suggest otherwise (God does have the freedom to save some infants and not others, but where does the Bible even bring that up?) Personally, I have no problems with infants going to Hell as I believe the Biblical doctrine of Total Depravity and children are just as much under the wrath of God as I am, whether the children are mine or someone else's.

(matt01): I attended a evening chapel at The Master's College where Dr. MacArthur opened the floor to questions. One of my classmates stood and asked about the state of her daughter, who had died in infancy. Dr. M. assured her that all infants go to heaven. As a Reformed baptist, I would disagree. We do not know, nor can we know what the Lord determines for those who die in infancy. While I would hope that these children spend eternity in the presence of the Lord, I know that they may just as easliy receive the same reward that the unreached people receive upon death...

tellville and matt01, Puritan Board 12 Comments [6/19/2017 1:37:28 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 128288

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Enochian, enochian.org 9 Comments [6/19/2017 7:48:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128287

[This is a collection of various awful beliefs so I'll just put it in FSTDT]



monsterwithabowlcut, Tumblr 12 Comments [6/19/2017 7:47:51 AM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 128286

[On the attack on Muslims at Finsbury Park]

What goes around comes around... Twats finally pushed someone's buttons enough to get a reaction. It was a dot on the cards. I resent the whiny meltdown it's sent the SJWs into though.

Witnere, Anglo-Saxon Foundation 12 Comments [6/19/2017 7:47:31 AM]
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Quote# 128285

Again is some Atheist Superior Mind telling me what to believe. Have you read what I said? In your arrogance you might have missed this:

You should accept the computational theory of mind if you believe in science, because 'mind' stems from physical and chemical processes in your brain. For us hard to calculate or simulate, but in theory definitively possible. If you believe 'you' is something we cannot compute, you believe in a spiritual 'soul' and thus some form of religion.

Did I just tell you and that other Atheist Superior Mind that your consciousness is nothing but a bunch of chemical and physical processes? How could you miss that? Did you see the word 'religion' and stopped thinking and let your Atheist Superior Mind speak for you?

You and him think you believe in atheism and that doing so makes you superior to the stupid people who believe in a man with a long white beard on a hilltop handing out stone tables with rules. I have seen no proof for your supposed superiority so let's keep it at "I'm not convinced."

(I'm trying my best to not start returning the compliment and call you an idiot.)

burne_, Ars Technica 4 Comments [6/19/2017 7:47:26 AM]
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Submitted By: zyr