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Quote# 136741

A Real Time Connection with God

Hello All
My Spiritual Quest for this moment in time has been whittled down to one simple question. How to have a real time, strong and stable, instantaneous, conscious communion with God?

A direct and uncorrupted personal line to the Great Universal Mind of THAT.

Whenever a question arose, one might offer-up a simple prayer and receive an answer immediately. No synchronistic signs or coincidences, but a clear audio voice in ones own mind. A voice that is Understanding, Compassionate and Wise.

Today when I pray to God I am still very surprised by how well it works, but now I am talking about taking it to a whole other level - or 7.

There is a passage in the Bible that reads,
"For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."

Can you imagine the change in our lives and society as a whole if this became a common ability? Love freedom happiness and justice would permeate and reign over every aspect of Life. We could actually build a Heaven on Earth very easily.

So assuming such a thing is possible, the question now becomes how? How could one attain such a communion with God? I have a rough idea of what it might take, but it is only my personal opinion and just a very basic idea at best.

First of ALL there is Vibration.

Love or Fear - a choice that is going to reverberate thru every aspect of Life. Thinking about, expressing, and therefore becoming love just may be the master key needed to unlock the greatest secret of our hearts desire.

Demonstrating the art of love, we may gain the insights, skills and wisdom needed to experience and understand self and other. We gain confidence in Life and are unafraid of even the harshest of lessons.

The higher we vibrate, the greater the ability?

Secondly - I feel that actually practicing prayer and listening are vitally important. I know that prayer works, but the very fact that I am still amazed at how well it works tells me that I have some work to do. Just as all great pianists must practice for hours and hours, day after day, so a regular communion with God may give you the ability to hear THAT. Finding yourself an enjoyable spiritual practice is probably a key component.

Attending to God - a reaching out with as much pure intent, passion and conviction as possible. A full and whole giving of oneself in a single pointed moment attaining to God.

And thirdly - participating in quality activities. Anything that lifts the spirit in any positive way.

Personally my spirits are raised and realised by meditation and prayer, exercising, walking out in nature with or without the dogs, eating well, being sociable, listening to good music and the higher arts in general - especially poetry and prose. All have a tremendously uplifting affect. Listening to certain folks on YouTube can lift my spirit way high. As well as loads of other things including the giving of my time and helping others in any small way. I mean if nothing else we are going to have a more fulfilled and happy life!

But this is only a small part of my personal list. So please remember that there is no one and no thing between you and God.

And besides taking part in more wholesome activities, we might also avoid the grosser, crazy immature and ignoble and hurtful habits that are holding us back too!

But always remember that ultimately speaking this is a mental transfiguration and connection via your heart and mind to Gods Immaculate Mind - A consciousness expansion.

And so all the above may be reduced down to one word - Dedication.

Faith in this arena is already a given. Yet great FAITH is a bringer of Excellence. And so it is by a great dedication that our Faith is made manifest to God, and oneself is made a worthy vessel, pure enough to be blessed in such a magnificent way.

Or perhaps this is all a massive over-thinking, maybe this is achievable in a single moment via one huge and intensively deep feeling and raw emotion? But then why should it be either one or the other?

So anyway, is this a vision of things to come for humanity?

A Fellowship with, and Walking in - Spirit?

Crazy Horse, Unexplained Mysteries Forum 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:44:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 136740

[On werewolves]

They don't exist. However it is possible that a demon could assume a wolf like shape in order to scare people or a possessed person could start acting like a wild animal

Blueogre2, Unexplained Mysteries Forum 7 Comments [2/18/2018 7:44:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 136739



Werewolf Mistaken For Bigfoot: Sasquatch Obviously More Valuable Than A Lycan

Rural farmlands are home to a plethora of horror tales “designed” to raise the hair on the back of your neck, and to send shivers down your spine. Some of these tales are quite tall, indeed; told to young folk by their elders as a way to ward them away from certain behavior. Hence the word “designed” comes into play. These stories are cleverly crafted to provoke a desired response.

However, some of the strange tales are based on actual experiences; passed down from generation to generation as a way of remembering what could be lurking behind the trees in yonder field. Ever so often a photograph surfaces that raises the question, could monsters be real? Ultimately it’s left for you to decide as such evidence is open to individual interpretation and predisposed biases. Where one person may see evidence of Bigfoot, another may see something entirely different. Case in point, this photograph posted on YouTube clearly shows the carcass of a dead animal, but the type of creature is a mystery.

The story behind the photograph is that a farmer (name and location intentionally left out) was in his fields one afternoon, filling deer feeding bins, when he discovered the corpse of an unknown creature. Quickly, he snapped a single photograph of the beast; claiming that it was, to him, clearly the deceased body of a Bigfoot.

Upon reviewing the photograph, many people have flatly stated the photograph is a fake; no Bigfoot to be seen here – move along. Many questioned the practicality of taking only one photograph and leaving all physical evidence behind. One man pointed out that he’d have loaded the thing up and hauled it away, as well as taken several hundreds of pictures from all sides to prove what he had was real.

Putting aside questions about whether or not the subject of the photograph is real, the corpse clearly doesn’t match the likeness of what we have come to know as Bigfoot. In fact, it looks more like a partially decomposed corpse of a werewolf. When you look at the photo, notice the elongated snout and long canine teeth, as well as the shape of the body. It’s the classic example of a werewolf.

Unfortunately, the anonymity of the farmer’s identity and lack of specific details strengthens the argument against this being hard evidence of cryptid life. Discovering something as rare as a Bigfoot (or a werewolf) body lying in their field, would lead most to stake their claim and become famous. Intentionally leaving out your name seems counter-intuitive to most people.

Is this just a situation where a rural farmer doesn’t want to be famous? Maybe he enjoys the life he has and wishes it to remain free from endless media coverage. There’s nothing at all wrong with that, either. As they say, it takes all kinds…The question as to what is in the photograph remains. Is it as the mystery farmer claims: a Bigfoot? Or is it a werewolf mistaken for Bigfoot?

Submitter's note: It's really obviously a partially decomposed bear. Here is the original source of the photo.

Monstrum Athenaeum, Monstrum Athenaeum 6 Comments [2/18/2018 7:44:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 136738

Facilitators of izslime are among the most stupid and the most evil people on the planet. Whoever is assisting the vile creatures in this endeavor need to be on a list, they are promoting izslime over our own constitution which will hasten the destruction of our whole way of life, and that is TREASON!!!!

Treason is still one of the most heinous crimes a person can commit and there are literally many thousand of FOOLS doing so every day. Some do so out of ignorance some very knowingly and purposefully.

Don Spilman, Bare Naked Islam 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:44:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 136736

I don’t get this transgenderism, at all. AT 72, life was complicated enough just handling my “birth” gender, male. Why would any male want to undergo the mutilation and problems of changing into another sex.

The “best looking” SHemale (boy turned girl) I’ve ever seen, was ugly. If I saw Caitland coming down the street toward me, I would know first, “she” is a “he”, and secondly, I’d cross the street to keep from passing he/she/it on the sidewalk.

Most of these male to female transitions look no more like real women than did “Uncle Miltie” (Milton Berle) in the 50’s doing his drag comedy routine on TV. It’s just another step to shock and amaze others, like those with zillions of tattoos, metal studs sticking out of every orifice and available space on the face.

They do these things to themselves, and then lament that others don’t “support” them, or “respect” them. And, in my opinion, I don’t support or respect them. They’re nuts. Starving for attention at the most primal level, the desire to be a completely different person, gender and all. The media eats it up. They live in the same mindset. And, so long as the weirdoes get this attention, they’ll keep acting out these fantasies.

One day, they might wake up. It might be too late. They’ll be old, and lonely...hideous with faded tattoos covering their now, unrecognizable faces, and having the usual problems and diseases of getting old. Meanwhile, the rest of us should go on with our lives; we didn’t create the problem, and we (as individuals) don’t have to fix it.

FrankR, Free Republic 7 Comments [2/18/2018 7:43:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 136735

It’s no news to me. Not only transgenderism but homosexuality is being promoted and encouraged. It’s a self-delusional state which not only imposed on them, but everyone else who would otherwise say it’s just wrong. We’re conditioned into thinking it’s somehow brave and admirable to admit sexual deviations from the norm. What percentage of the animal kingdom is actually homosexual?

They will say there are examples in captivity, but that is hardly a natural environment. What percent of them actually prefer their own sex rather than the opposite? No examples I’m aware of. Yet in humans the percentages are increasing as the culture promotes it. It’s not at all something we’re born with, like they claim. It’s conditioned by society. There is also solid scientific evidence that it’s not genetic, according to studies done on identical twins.

Telepathic Intruder, Free Republic 8 Comments [2/18/2018 7:43:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 136727

How about praying for our nations, indeed the nations of the world. Perhaps that some great and moral leaders, and champions can emerge, find True Parents and help lead the battle against immorality, the destruction of the family and the ever pervasive LGBT ( homosexual ) lobby.

The LGBT agenda in my mind is one of the most sinister movements in the world today. Those of us working in our communities can see clearly that our children are under terrible attack through the schools and all media. The last minister for education is a self proclaimed lesbian and used her position to push her personal ideas forward.

Andy Johnson, FFWPU-UK 6 Comments [2/18/2018 7:43:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 136725

COTW winner is williamk, adding this insight to a discussion about the ideological proclivities of anonymous realtalk forums like 4chan,

Any anonymous board is by its very nature Right Wing and pro-White. The chans are /ourguys/, they just have lots of energy and no clear, explicit goals, which leads to lots of entropy.


“You don’t have to believe in chaos. It’s self-evident.”

Anything anonymous inevitably turns Right Wing, because the only point of being Left Wing is for status, and you can’t win status anonymously, so left wing talking points quickly dissipate, there is no incentive to repeat the pretty lies of the left.


The less anonymous the forum, the less about truth and more about status-signalling the political discussion becomes. It’s why Left Wingers create and congregate in the most deanonymous discussion places, they quickly abandon anonymous places. They can’t hang with unvarnished discussion, and have no status to gain there, so they leave.

The /chan autists are /ourguys/. They just have too much disordered energy and don’t always operate with perfect long term strategy.

The (((drive))) to de-anonymize the web (via policy and threats of doxxing) is motivated entirely by the Left’s fear of maul-right realtalk and the mockery it makes of leftist virtue signaling. Anonymity is the Left’s thermal exhaust port, because anonymity provides a means of expressing truths free from witch hunts. Anonymity exposes the impotence of the leftoid mob.

Humiliating impotence is something the Left can’t tolerate without cracking up in a brain blast of cogdis.

For the record, I don’t think the chans are apolitical agents of chaos. They’re anti-Left agents of chaos. That’s what makes them truly dangerous to the corrupt existing order; disaffected, angry young White men can change the world like no other force on earth.

CH, Chateau Heartiste 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:43:05 AM]
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Quote# 136724

This isn’t just a problem in politics. Look at media and academia, where there has been a concerted effort to marginalize straight white males of Christian heritage born after 1965 or so since at least the late 80s.

The only younger white guys who make it big now are sycophants like Ross Douthat and Rod Dreher or sociopaths who hate their own kind like Kevin Williamson. The rest of us have been banished from the “conversation.”

On the positive side, this creates an enormous vacuum that can and will be filled by those with a decidedly different agenda. Unfortunately, it’s going to be a big struggle for most of us to find the time and funds to make ourselves heard, but we’ll get there eventually.

Bill P, Unz 6 Comments [2/18/2018 7:42:44 AM]
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Quote# 136723

(commenting on story "UK Humanists Want Homosexual Issues Taught in Primary Schools")

A humanist campaign group wants four-year-olds to be taught about LGBT issues, and has branded religious views on sexuality “discriminatory.”
Humanists UK, formerly known as the British Humanist Association, issued a statement backing government plans on new primary school relationships education.
Under the proposals, children will be taught about “different types of relationships,” which critics fear could include homosexuality, transsexualism and same-sex marriage.
The group went on to compare traditional religious views to racism, claiming they were an “unconscionable affront to the equality and dignity of all people.”

Amos Moses:
Pedophilia.............

glenbo:
How is teaching acceptance of those who are different "pedophilia?"
How is teaching diversity "pedophilia?"
By your "logic," teaching kids to accept black kids in their schools as equal is racism.

Amos Moses:
conflation of race and depravity is a false paradigm ..... and there is no "logic" there ..........
sexualization and grooming of children to accept that sexualization ...... is pedophilia ...........

glenbo:
Define sexualization.

Amos Moses:
Grooming or making CHILDREN view and accept sex (especially depraved sex) as part of their "education" ............ it includes numerous activities ............

Sally Edwards:
No, pedophilia is actively sexually abusing a child.
No one is grooming children for pedophilia by teaching them that some people are homosexuals. Pedophilia wasn't mentioned in the article.

Amos Moses:
no it is not ...........LIE .............
"Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty. [1] The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) defines it as a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age.[4]"
GROOMING is what is being done to CHILDREN to accept homosexuality ............ and it is pedophilia ......

Sally Edwards:
"Intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children"
Your words, not mine. Now tell me that relates to this simple story about a school educating children about homosexuals.
Also, homosexuality and pedophilia could not be more different.

Amos Moses:
NOPE .... DSM-5s words .......... FAIL .... TRY AGAIN .............



Amos Moses, Christian News Network 8 Comments [2/18/2018 7:42:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136721

Sermon 24: End Game

By The Rev. William Grimes

Proverbs 20:1 says "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Romans 12:2 says "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Ephesians 2:10 says: "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

Liberal sinful seductress Taylor Swift released her "End Game" video, which is part of promoting her vile reputation album that contains thinly veiled references to petty feuds with other celebrities, sexual excess, lesbianism, drunkenness, as well as petty score settling.

This video frequently contains the consumption of alcoholic beverages as well as alluding to bedroom conduct. Swift wears such attire as a dress that reveals her legs as well as a tight leather outfit that displays her treacherous curves and abhorrent breasts for those in Swift's primary demographic of preteen and young teenage girls. Girls are going to go out and pounce around drinking booze and throwing themselves at boys who cannot pray to God to control their sex drives because their wicked parents tolerate such depravity! CHRISTIAN PARENTS NEED TO WAKE UP! SAY AMEN IN THE HOUSE OF GOD! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Valentine's Day was the other day, and I'm sure that unholy relations outside of the sacrosanct union of one man and one woman in the bedroom in private alone occurred! College kids in their dorm and hotel rooms, some behind an Arby's dumpster, and yet others in the park for holy men and women of God and precious little children to observe! THIS IS A FARCE THAT MUST CEASE IMMEDIATELY! ANYONE WHO CELEBRATES THIS DAY OF PURE SEXUAL EXCESS WILL BE DAMNED ETERNALLY! NO VALENTINE'S DAY, NO ASH WEDNESDAY, NO IDOLATRY! YEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!!

TAYLOR SWIFT IS ONE EXAMPLE OF WHY OUR NEXT GENERATION OF WOMEN WILL CONTINUE TO DRESS IMMODESTLY TEMPTING MEN AND APOSTATE WOMEN THROUGHOUT THE GLOBE! WHATEVER HAPPENED TO DRESSES THAT COVERED THEIR WHOLE BODIES?! NO MINISKIRTS, NO PANTS, NO SHORTS, NONE OF THIS TREACHERY! NO SHORTS FOR YOU MEN EITHER, AND DEFINITELY NO CROSSDRESSING! SUCH VILE SEWAGE IS AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD! GET RIGHT WITH GOD NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!! God's people said AMEN!


The Rev. William H. Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 11 Comments [2/18/2018 7:42:11 AM]
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Quote# 136720

Daniel Roem (often incorrectly referred to as "Danica" by the lamestream media) is a far-left Democrat Party supporter who lied his way to a seat in the Virginia House of Delegates. On November 7, 2017, the people of Virginia's 13th District were either duped or readily voted for a man who is dressed like a woman to represent them in their state legislature. Either way, this is a sign of severe mental deficiency on the part of those living in this district.

Roem is ready to push homosexual and transsexual "rights" in the State of Virginia, even though the Papist dominated Supreme Court gave them their sinful "marriages" and Kenyan national Barry Soetoro and RINO Donald Trump have already given them more "rights" than they deserve. They already had a right to marry someone of the opposite sex, to work, to rent, and all of that just like any other American, but people like Roem have been particularly insistent upon pushing their perversions on hardworking everyday true Christian Americans. ELCA Lutherans, Episcopalians, and other no-doctrine "Christians" have even championed this mentally ill sexual deviant taking office, in effect spitting on the cross Christ died for them on while claiming to believe in the Gospel.

"And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?"- Matthew 24:39-45

"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." - Matthew 24:42

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."- 2 Timothy 3

The Rev. William H. Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 5 Comments [2/18/2018 7:42:06 AM]
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Quote# 136719

Michael Soetoro (often incorrectly referred to as Michelle Obama) is former "president" Barry Soetoro's "life partner" who the liberal media often referred to as the "First Lady" despite his being male.

Barry Soetoro, better known by his pseudonym Barack Hussein Obama, is the second open homosexual to hold the office of President of the United States, after James Buchanan. This is despite the fact that Barry Soetoro was born in Kenya to a Kenyan father and American mother, thus making him ineligible for holding the office of President of the United States.

Soetoro "married" his life partner Barry in 1992. This was legally invalid because this "marriage" occurred well before Illinois recognized same-sex civil unions in 2011 and "marriages" in 2014.

Soetoro made his goal as "First Lady" of the United States to take away choices from students and parents when it came to school lunches. By doing this, kids were forced to eat unappetizing cardboard school "lunches" that were devoid of both taste and nutrition. Some school districts even cracked down on homemade school lunches because they contained too much sugar, especially if sodas were present. This was likely done to decrease school performance in well performing districts to justify the federal overreach into the school curriculum via the Common Core monstrosity. He also introduced "exercise programs" in schools to wear kids out since they were fueled on next to no calories, and this would deteriorate academic performance even more drastically.

Soetoro was likely highly influential in causing his life partner Barry to sign unconstitutional executive orders asserting transsexual "rights" in public schools and otherwise, because Barry himself has been involved romantically and sexually with a transsexual himself. Both Michael and Barry reject the lordship of Jesus Christ in a particularly boastful way.

The Rev. William H. Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 8 Comments [2/18/2018 7:42:01 AM]
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Quote# 136718

John Donovan: To the extent that there are gays still dying of sexually transmitted diseases at high rates, this should be counted as a form of killing, even if murder isn't the right term for it.

Bruce Atkinson: It is closer to being 'manslaughter-suicide' by idiots in terrible denial. Regardless of what you call it, active homosexuals are dying at a much, much faster rate than heterosexuals. Yes, they are dying of AIDS faster than any other group, but not only AIDS but suicide and all kinds of medical illnesses ... at a higher rate than others. Choosing to live a high risk and sinful lifestyle will impact one in many ways. But one way they are not dying is from murder or physical abuse by heterosexuals. They abuse their own at a much higher rate.

John Donovan: read something recently written by a gay man on Huffington Post, a liberal website. He said that gays have stopped meeting very much at bars and that he and other gays instead are arranging hook-ups in which strangers come to their homes, and added that he gets a lot more ill treatment from other gays than from anyone else and in general is suffering from a kind of social isolation.


John Donovan & Bruce Atkinson, Virtue Online 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:38:37 AM]
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Quote# 136717

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Christophobia: Mike Pence, Tim Tebow, Tony Dungy have all been 'Christian Shamed.' This ugly form of bigotry must stop"

(Fox News cut-and-paste, link here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/16/mike-pence-tim-tebow-tony-dungy-have-all-been-christian-shamed-this-ugly-form-bigotry-must-stop.html

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Robin Egg:
Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate:



Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:38:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136716

"Borrowing from the Bible is couched in philosophical terminology like preconditions of intelligibility. In brief, it is when a worldview cannot account for something that is foundational."- World religions and cults vol 3 p. 24. An example, when atheists say "your God is evil", they have no basis in their worldview to say anything is evil. In a naturalistic darwinian worldview there is no ultimate standard to say something is evil because in a godless universe it's just one opinion over another. What one person says is evil another person thinks is good. Hitler thought he was doing a good thing with the holocaust. The holocaust was a terrible thing but only in the Biblical worldview can that be truly said that the holocaust was evil because all morality comes from God, Isaiah 45:19 God said "I, the Lord, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are upright." Only because God has spoken, thats the reason why we have moral absolutes. Atheists have to borrow from the Biblical worldview to attack it. This is just part of what is called the methodology of presuppositional apologetics.

George Moncayo, Facebook 6 Comments [2/18/2018 7:38:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Shakesmyhead

Quote# 136583

The Eagle Returns

Before I could puzzle over what he meant, I saw the white Eagle fly across the path. My heart leaped when I saw Him. I began to run after Him, calling, “Lord! Lord, please come back, please.”

He must have heard me, for He made a wide bank in flight and landed before me. I was so overjoyed to see Him whom my heart adores that I hugged Him around the neck, clinging to Him. “I want to fly with You. I want to eat from the hand of God.”

He became the Lord. I buried my face in His shoulder. He held me, returning my embrace, more like a lover than a friend. This amazed me. Did He long for me as I longed for Him?

“Forgive me, Lord,” I said. “I want to be with You. I long for You. I want to be and do whatever You want, as long as we are together.”

“Anna,” He said, pulling me away from Him so that He could look into my eyes, “do you trust Me?”

“Why, yes, Lord,” I answered, surprised.

“Then come.”

He became the white Eagle. I quickly climbed onto His back, and He began to fly. I put my arms around His neck and buried my face in the fragrant feathers of His head.

He flew. . . and flew. . . and flew. . . until He flew into deep darkness.

Chapter 8
The Corrupted Strata

I could not discern if it was densely dark or if it only seemed that dark because we had come from a place so permeated with light.

The sheepfold

The white eagle flew down into a walled-in area that had a shelter within it. The wall was of uncut stones and fairly high. On top of the wall were branches brandishing large, painful- looking thorns.

It was a sheepfold.’ It was Christ’s outpost in that corrupted strata occupied by Satan. The enclosed area had but one gate. It appeared that the thorns were not so much to make entry by the demons impossible, but to serve as a warning. NO TRESPASSING—a visible command from Christ Himself. The sheepfold was His territory.

It occurred to me that perhaps one of the reasons the crown of thorns was crammed into Jesus’ skull before His crucifixion was as a private slap in the face from Satan, for the sheepfold was crowned with thorns. Christ had dared to establish a place of safety within the enemy’s hostile kingdom. That crown of thorns was an affront before His crucifixion; now, after His resurrection, it was an ever-present reminder of Christ’s victory and His eternal lordship.

The white Eagle changed into the Lord.

There was scant light except for that which came from Him. “Stay with Me’ He said. He had a tall staff in His hand.

By the gate were two pairs of porpoise shoes that were dyed red. He put on a pair, and so did I.

“Touch nothing here, Anna; all is defiled.” We walked out the gate into the darkness. Jesus Himself was the light on our way.

Weeping and sardonic laughter came from the darkness. They were human voices, but they sounded as if they were coming from animals. Alarm gripped me. I stayed close to the Lord, walking in His footsteps. Although it was dark, I began to see dimly.

The Outskirts of the Strata

The surface on which we were walking was dank and sticky. There was a slight suction created on the bottoms of my shoes as we walked, as though I might become glued to the spot if I did not keep moving. Huge, slimy creatures would half roar, then lift themselves up and move threateningly toward us. They looked like giant slugs, but acted more like bull seals protecting their territory. They tried to frighten us, but they ended up bowing before Jesus, a begrudging acknowledgment of His lordship.

The River of Filth

We came to a levee that sloped down to a black lagoon. The water was filthy, sluggish, and stagnant. The smell was putrid.

Jesus helped me into a long pirogue. I sat down, but He stood and poled us across this narrow waterway with His staff. The water boiled and emitted steam every time His staff plunged into it.

Jesus said, “This is a river of filth. As the river of life is clear, so this one is putrid and defiling. It issues from the mouths of sinful man. As rivers of living water come from the belly of My righteous ones, so out of the blackened heart, through the mouth, comes this watery filth.”

I could see creatures lying on the banks and hear them breathing. They appeared to be crocodiles, but they made blowing sounds through their nostrils like hippos.’° Their eyes shone in the dark.

The Chained Ones

Caves lined the levees, and an occasional cry or moan came from them. I felt that the sounds I had heard when we walked through the gate came from these caves. They looked like dungeons with demons guarding the entrances. But who or what was imprisoned there?

The demons uttered low, guttural chuckles at the obvious pain of those imprisoned. They enjoyed someone else’s pain.’

“Observe the misery,” the Lord said. “My people participate in this, enjoying the downfall of another, laughing at the mistakes of others, and holding them in their chains instead of setting the captives free.”

I looked toward the dark entrances of the caves. Within these dungeons the enemy held captive certain areas in the lives of humans on earth. Christians, instead of helping to set the captive free, were tightening the chains of condemnation that held them in bondage. Christians were siding with the jailers against the Lord by nullifying the provision of forgiveness and reconciliation that He had made for them through His shed blood.

The Levee

We stepped onto the opposite bank and began to walk up a wide path to the crest of that levee. Moans came from every demon we passed. Christ’s appearance among the demons tormented them, and they ran away from Him.’

“Light is very painful to them,” Jesus said, indicating the fleeing demons. “They suck up darkness and breathe out venom—lost, corrupted forever, darkness inside and out. These who once ate the food of angels, these who stood in My Father’s light, these who knew the companionship of the trustworthy—now they slither and cringe from the light, cursing the darkness and cursing the light—they are doubly damned. They eat vomit—three or four times over.” (I felt that He was equating vomit with slander.) “In community with those of their kind, they laugh at each other’s misery and deny each other relief—turning, forever turning upon one another, therefore always alone.”

“Leave us,” a voice said, and a hyena giggled.

As we topped the levee, the land as far as I could see was slimy mud, a murky wasteland.’

“Wet,” Jesus said, “for they fear the fire. They are tormented even by dry places.”

Numerous dead trees stood within the mud.

“The trees are a memorial to the vile groves of false gods. Here these trees are seen for what they actually are: broken, bare, without life—the home of snakes and birds of prey.”

Counterfeit Unity

Indeed, black snakes were in these dead trees, as well as covering the brackish mire. They were hissing and writhing, constantly moving over one another as if mating.’ A false unity, a joining in the black mind, I thought. It occurred to me that as the Lord is bringing together a oneness in Himself, so the devil is birthing a counterfeit unity.

Jesus spoke, “The spawn of demons. How Satan promotes his imitation fruit. These goad tormented souls to vomit forth slanders, lies, and cursing—rivers of putrid water in which the demons swim.”

Anna Rountree, The Heavens Opened by Anna Rountree Part II 9 Comments [2/18/2018 6:50:27 AM]
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I am a 65-year-old woman who began practicing Falun Dafa in October 1996. Before practicing Falun Dafa, I suffered from a multitude of illnesses, including neurasthenia, severe insomnia, rheumatoid arthritis, sinusitis and severe ulcerative colitis. Soon after obtaining Dafa, my illnesses disappeared and I achieved perfect health in both mind and body. Cultivation practice also transformed my outward appearance and I started looking ten years younger than my actual age. My white hair gradually turned black and I became more energetic.

My husband also benefited from cultivating Falun Dafa. Before practicing, he suffered from severe neurasthenia and weight loss. His doctors finally confirmed a diagnosis of liver hemangioma in March 1992 and my husband was referred to a military hospital for treatment and continued observation.

Despite five years of continuous treatment, his condition remained the same. My husband took up the practice of Dafa in October 1996 and three weeks later he visited the hospital for his scheduled check-up. His doctor was amazed. “How come your hemangiomas have disappeared?” When my husband asked him to take another look, the doctor pointed out a section of the scan and said, “This was where the hemangioma was located. All traces of it have completely vanished. Not even scar tissue remains. With current medical treatment, such an outcome is impossible. Did you start practicing some kind of qigong?” My husband replied, “Falun Dafa. I just started three weeks ago.” Impressed, the doctor commented, “Falun Dafa is indeed powerful.”

I work as a technician in a pharmaceutical lab responsible for analyzing the components of pharmaceutical raw materials. Typically, technicians try to avoid taking on work which involves the analysis of toxic compounds or those requiring complicated analytical procedures. As they know Falun Dafa practitioners are good and kind people, my superiors and fellow colleagues find it easier to ask me to handle the analysis of such compounds. Instead of bearing a grudge, I take the opportunity to elevate my character and even developed expertise in this field of work.

Once while testing some highly toxic acetyl bromide compounds, I accidentally touched some with my left index finger. Within a few days, my inflamed fingertip began rotting and oozing pus. Although my condition drew much concern from my fellow co-workers, I was confident that the immense power of Dafa would heal my finger. Within a month, my wound had completely healed and Falun Dafa, in turn, gained the respect of my greatly impressed colleagues.

In June 2000, my husband was transporting my youngest daughter to school on his motorcycle when a speeding military sedan ran into them. The impact threw my daughter thirty meters away. Miraculously, she remained completely unharmed and immediately stood up to check on her father. Finding him unconscious, my daughter began to loudly berate the sedan driver. My husband awoke soon after, stood up and reassured the sedan driver, “I'm fine, you can go.” Both father and daughter were completely unhurt and the damage to the motorcycle is very minimal. Truly this is a miracle. Master Li has protected us! In August 2015, we returned to our old village to clarify the truth to our fellow villagers. After completing our rounds, we visited our old home and found the longan trees growing at our doorstep ripe with fruit.

We decided to pick some fruit to take home. However, the trees had grown very tall and even with our five-meter cutting pole we were unable to reach the fruit. To achieve the necessary added height, my husband took a three-meter high wooden ladder and placed bamboo poles on one side for support. He then climbed the other side and began cutting the branches. Suddenly the ladder and its bamboo pole supports collapsed. My husband was thrown head first to the concrete floor, right before the eyes of our horrified relatives. However, he immediately stood up and reassured them, “I’m fine. Thank you for protecting me Master Li!” Our dumbfounded relatives were amazed to discover no injuries or swelling. Our great and compassionate Master had saved my husband’s life again!

Lian Mei , Minghui 0 Comments [2/18/2018 6:49:33 AM]
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Quote# 136577

Sin is normal. All are born in sin. Sin is not Godly. Avoiding sin is an ongoing and difficult task. The pagans regularly practiced homosexual “sex”. You only need read Roman, Greek, or other ancient texts to know that. It was considered a preference instead of an innate characteristic.

Those who do not want any self control or norms for sex want it both ways, both as an innate, born with preference and as a choice. They simply want to invalidate any legal or moral restraint on sex with anything or anyone. Avoiding homosexual “sex” and upholding self-restraint in sex has been a central point in the building of Western Civilization.

It moved us past the Romans and Greeks. Greek Philosophy, Christian Morality, Jewish business practices combined to create the rule of law and Western Civilization.

marktwain, Free Republic 4 Comments [2/18/2018 6:49:21 AM]
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Assalaamu Alaykum,

To answer your initial question,

It is not having homosexual desires, or even acting upon them which takes a person outside the fold of islam, but it is the belief that such desires are acceptable or correct and Islam is wrong to condemn such actions. As for homosexuals being 'cured.' Yes it can happen. As someone active in Dawah I know of 4 homosexuals who embraced islam, 2 went straight eventually, 1 still struggles and the other turned back to disbelief as couldn't accept his desires were wrong, and needed help, he wanted to be homosexual and state it was ok and still be muslim at the same time.

When we explained this was not possible he chose his desires over following Allaah. This is his choice, this is the choice you also need to make. Struggle against your desires, perhaps to overcome them, or perhaps to struggle all your life for an ever lasting reward in jannah, or give up on Allaah and fall into disbelief. I've also come across quite a few 'camp' Muslim brothers, who if they'd grown up as disbelievers would no doubt be stereotyped as homosexuals and railroaded into that type of lifestyle choice, however because they were raised in good muslim homes they've not acted upon this and have the support not to do so.

Now you state if you had the choice, you'd choose straight. So if you wish to live such a lifestyle cut yourself off totally from those who pull you the wrong direction, live a life of emaan reinforcing actions and speech and eventually these desires will decrease. But you have to make an effort to try, not just deny it is possible because the prevalent society around you thinks this is so but you I assume don't accept their viewpoint on a number of other matters as a Muslim so why this one just because it reinforces your desires?

Gingerbeardman, Ummah 0 Comments [2/18/2018 6:49:01 AM]
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The movie “For the Bible tells me so” (forthebibletellsmeso.org) was shown in my home community of Flint, Michigan in the fall of 2008 as part of a series of gay events called “Out’N About.” Although the movie was billed as a documentary, it was first and foremost a gay propaganda film.

The movie has two distinct elements to it. The documentary element examines the lives of five homosexuals and how their immediate families responded to their homosexuality. That part of the movie is actually a documentary, interesting, emotionally moving, and somewhat objective. The other part of the movie is pure gay political propaganda arranged to disparage conservative Christians and present the gay political movement as the enlightened possessors of the real truth about homosexuality.
From my observations as a scholar on the gay political movement this movie has the imprint of the gay political organization known as Soulforce (www.soulforce.org).

Soulforce has been a branch of the gay political movement specifically targeting the Bible believing Christian church. Mel White is a cofounder of Soulforce and a prominent leader in the gay political movement. A favorite target of Mel White and Soulforce has been Dr. James Dobson and his organization Focus on the Family (www.focusonthefamily.com).
The fact that the movie specifically targets Dr. James Dobson and that Dr. Mel White is a predominant spokesperson throughout the movie gives the Soulforce manipulation away. The movie at the time of this writing was featured on the Soulforce website and on the website of America’s largest gay lobbying organization – The Human Rights Campaign. A fifty page study guide comes with the movie to assist in molding the interested convert into an advocate for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender equality with heterosexuality.
Besides the deception and lies presented as truths, the gay theology espoused in the film claiming that the Bible does not condemn homosexual behavior is considered by many a self-serving concoction. It would take a whole book to accurately address all the deception and lies in the propaganda part of the movie, so I will select instances that best support my accusations.
Scientific lies and deception
Like most gay propaganda the movie begins its justification of homosexuality by contending that homosexuality is not something that is not chosen.

Conservative Christians knowledgeable on homosexuality, including ex-gays, and psychotherapists who help people overcome unwanted same-sex attractions, agree that clinical science has shown that homosexual attractions are not usually something that an individual chooses. That there is agreement on this point is never brought up in gay propaganda and it is not acknowledged in the movie. Instead Christians, ex-gays, and therapists who disagree with the gay worldview are shown as ninnies who ignore this and other clinical facts. Knowledgeable Christians, ex-gays, and therapists do distinguish between attractions and behavior, and most certainly maintain that individuals have a choice of whether or not they engage in any form of sexual behavior. This distinction is never mentioned in gay propaganda or the movie.

Gay propaganda and clinical science diverge after the fact that homosexuals do not choose their attractions to the same sex. Using that fact as a premise gay propaganda and the movie conclude that homosexuality is an innate condition that is unchangeable and therefore equivalent to heterosexuality. The movie specifically states that “sexual orientation cannot be changed or prevented.”

There are no facts to support the innate theory, so the movie shows a cartoon series that mocks the clinical evidence on the causal factors of homosexuality and sexual orientation change. What researchers have found is that male homosexuals usually have had past experiences of prolonged rejection by the same sex parent and same sex peers throughout childhood. As a child the homosexual never felt he was a part of his gender group, and the longing to be part of the group and the mystery of the same sex turned into same-sex attractions at puberty. This is not always the causal route to male homosexuality, but it has been documented enough to be referred to as the standard causal route.

Clinical science has also documented hundreds of cases where homosexuals have changed their sexual orientation. The evidence is overwhelming. The movie claims ex-gay organizations and psychotherapists use shame and guilt to coax homosexuals to repress their true feelings, thereby presenting ex-gay organizations as a sham and destructive to the mental well being of homosexuals. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The truth is that ex-gay organizations like Exodus International (www.exodus.to) offer real hope to individuals with unwanted same-sex attractions. Many individuals have overcome homosexual behavior and desires. A significant percentage have changed their sexual orientation, married a person of the opposite sex, and raised families.
A sexual orientation change from homosexual to heterosexual is partly a reparative process and partly a cognitive process. Motivation is the main part of the cognitive process. The motivation usually comes from religious beliefs, aspirations of a heterosexual marriage, and from a fact that gay propaganda avoids like the plague, which is that many who enter the gay world find its lifestyle very destructive. The main part of the reparative process is to understand and deal with the memories and hurt of same-sex rejection in childhood. Often there was sexual abuse that contributed to the unwanted same-sex attractions. This short introduction on the causal factors of homosexuality is more accurate than the sum of all the causal information in the movie. The movie mocks this knowledge, and in doing so mocks the truth.

Theological lies and deception

A Rev. Keene makes the statement in the movie that “All loving relationships are honored in the Bible.” This is an easily refutable lie. In the same chapter of Leviticus where homosexuality is condemned there are a number of family related sexual relationships that are prohibited. Surely sexual relationships between close relatives can be loving relationships, yet contrary to Mr. Keene they are condemned. Likewise, Leviticus 18:22 reads “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable.” There is no insinuation that if a man lies with another man as one lies with a woman in a loving relationship, then it is equal to a heterosexual loving relationship.

In the New Testament the Apostle Paul was informed of a man in the Corinth church who was in a loving relationship with his stepmother. Paul told the church in Corinth to “Expel the wicked man from among you” (I Corinthians 5:13). In another incidence John the Baptist was martyred for saying that it was immoral for King Herod to marry his brother’s wife (Mark 6:18). Mr. Keene’s statement is a fabrication of what he wants the Bible to say.

Mr. Keene’s statement is also a misrepresentation of gay and liberal morality. Liberal sexual morality is based on consensual sex and is not dependent on a loving relationship or marriage. In general consensual sex without love in this moral code is as just as moral as sex in a loving relationship.
The movie presents many arguments of the new gay theology. The most amusing is “What did Jesus say about homosexuality?” The answer is “nothing,” if one ignores his comparison of the destruction of Sodom and the fate of those who did not repent after seeing miracles and hearing the gospel message (Luke 10:12). The sin of bestiality (humans having sex with animals), which happens to be listed in Leviticus 18:23 right after homosexuality, was not mentioned by Jesus in the written record of the gospels. If we use the gay logic that because Jesus did not mention homosexuality it is not immoral, then the same logic applies to bestiality, and it too is no longer immoral behavior.

When one examines Satan’s appearance in the Bible as a serpent in the Garden of Eden or tempting Jesus in the wilderness, it becomes evident that Satan’s method of persuasion is to present half truths. Likewise gay propaganda often persuades with half truths. One such instance in the movie was the gay theological argument that God’s condemnation of Sodom was not because the city was steeped in homosexual behavior, but because it was inhospitable.
The half truth that gay theology presents is that Sodom was indeed inhospitable to the two angels sent to their city in the form of handsome young men. Instead of welcoming the strangers, the men of Sodom sought to anally rape the young men. What the movie does not reveal is that in the ancient world accepted homosexual behavior was not two men of the same sex in a loving reciprocal relationship. It was a dominate man sodomizing a subordinate man or youth, usually a slave or captive from a battle. It was considered a humiliation for a man to be sodomized in any type of relationship.
In a related half truth the movie states that pederasty (an adult man sodomizing an adolescent male) is not homosexuality. It is true that pederasty is considered a specific sexual orientation in itself, but it is definitely a form of homosexuality. Intellectual elites in Ancient Greece during the time of Plato and Socrates considered arranged pederasty relationships the most preferred of all loving relationships. In the late 1980s gay authors Kirk and Madsen referred to the pederasty relationships of ancient Greece as the “traditional gay family.” The values of the Grecian society allowed the free man to not only have sexual relations with his wife, but also prostitutes, both female and male slaves, and a young free man to whom he would also be a mentor. When the young free man became an adult the pederasty relationship ended, because it was dishonorable for a man to be sodomized or have effeminate characteristics.

Deception in the storytelling

The five families featured in the movie were rated as to how supportive they were to their gay child. One family, the Reitans, was given the distinction of being “LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) Advocates.” In the movie the family is shown taking part in a Soulforce sponsored demonstration at the Focus on the Family facility in Colorado Springs. With his parents at his side the gay child, Jake, makes the accusation that Focus on the Family teaches parents to reject their children.

Mary Lou Wallner was given the distinction of being “Very Unsupportive (Initially)” Mary Lou’s lesbian daughter, Anna, committed suicide. Mary Lou Wallner is now an advocate for gay rights and has been touring the nation in support of the movie. In one part of the movie she tells the videographer that she blames Dr. James Dobson for the suicide of her daughter. At that time in her life Mary Lou was a member of a conservative Christian church that believed homosexual behavior was sin. She also followed the advice of Dr. James Dobson and did not accept her daughter’s homosexuality. The movie portrays that lack of acceptance as the cause of Anna’s suicide.

The Poteat family was listed as “Partially Supportive.” This family kept an open relationship with their lesbian daughter. They too were conservative Christians, who did not approve of their daughter’s homosexuality, but their daughter was always welcome at her childhood home and she always knew her family loved her, even though they did not approve of her lesbian relationships.
Having been a follower of Dr. James Dobson myself and having attended their controversial “Love Won Out” conferences on homosexuality, I can attest that Focus on the Family does not teach parents to reject their children. Obviously, Jake has never personally investigated Dr. Dobson or Focus on the Family, but relied on second hand information from Soulforce to make his damning accusation.

Focus on the Family and their Love Won Out conferences teach parents to continue to openly love their children while continuing their disapproval of the child’s sexual behavior. Focus tells parents the truth that homosexual attractions are usually not a choice, that sexual orientation change is possible but not easy, and that parents need to love their children just as God loves them, even in their sin. The Poteat family is actually a good example of what Focus and Dr. Dobson teach.

Mary Lou Wallner was present at the screening of the movie I attended in Flint. In my research on homosexuality I have read reports and heard lectures by clinical psychologists that lesbians do not usually seek counseling because of conflicts with their sexual orientation, but rather for distress from broken relationships. In the Q and A following the movie I asked Mary Lou if her daughter had any recent relationship problems before the suicide. Mary Lou revealed that her daughter had recently broken up with her long-time lover and moved in with another lesbian who had three teenage children. About two and a half months into this new relationship the woman asked Mary Lou’s daughter to move out. Shortly after this breakup, the daughter committed suicide.

Mary Lou also revealed that her daughter was always welcome at her childhood home. When her daughter and lesbian partners visited, Mary Lou and her husband let them sleep in the same bed. It became clear very quickly how distorted the movie had portrayed Anna’s suicide and the conservative Christian beliefs Mary Lou once held. The Wallner’s were at least as supportive of their lesbian daughter as the Poteats were, and maybe even more so.
Anna Wallner’s suicide had little to do with her parent’s disapproval of homosexual behavior, but a lot to do with the destructive aspects of lesbian relationships. The movie intentionally distorted this fact and used this terrible tragedy to smear an innocent man and the organization he represents. But this is nothing new, it is standard gay propaganda.

Thomas Coy, Ex Gay Truth 4 Comments [2/18/2018 6:48:08 AM]
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Quote# 136565

Ghosts are actually demons who are trying to deceive. They are perfectly capable of taking on the form of a deceased individual, and they often do this to pull unsuspecting people away from the truth of Jesus Christ. Do not be deceived by their tactics!

Doug, Y! answers 4 Comments [2/18/2018 6:47:38 AM]
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Quote# 136561

On adolescent marriage: "that could be a good thing instead of favoring contraceptive pills at the age of 12. If the marriage happens with the consent of the parents it's a good thing. Of course we won't favor marriages of little girls with old men", he defends.

Original French:
Et a propos du mariage pour les adolescents: "cela pourait être une bonne chose au lieux de favoriser les pilules contracèptives dés 12 ans. Si le mariage se fait avec le consentement des parents, c'est positif. Il ne s'agit évidemment pas de favoriser le mariage de petites filles avec des vieux hommes", defend-il.


Redouane Ahrouc, La Libre Belgique 5 Comments [2/18/2018 6:46:35 AM]
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Quote# 136560

Hi Sam,

I ran across Josiah’s blog while looking up something about evolution. I am in the process of writing a letter that I could perhaps share with the two of you. You might find it worthwhile.

I notice on your site you say:

“On the other hand, a great many Creationist organization list in their
mission statements that part of their goal is to deconstruct Evolution (with the goal, one would imagine, of leaving Creationism the only viable alternative). This is not Biblical.”

I am not sure you realize what the word “deconstruct” means. I quote from an online dictionary:

“1. To break down into components; dismantle.2. To write about or analyze.”

Perhaps you think the people that used the word meant something different by it. Whatever the case, there is nothing unBiblical about analyzing something if that entails refuting what is not true. In fact, the Bible itself stands as a Refutation of all things not true.

There is nothing in our physical world that is more untrue than the teaching of evolution as the explanation for God’s creation. And the source of this lie is found in the spiritual realm, where man, the rebel, says, “Who are You to tell me what to do?!”

Peace in Christ, Lord and Creator, and Savior of those that believe on Him,

Paul

Paul Cohen, The Path of Truth  3 Comments [2/18/2018 6:46:18 AM]
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Quote# 136555

The babies who died in the great flood of Noah's time were not human.

NOT HUMAN.

They were a genetic mix between humans and demons, like half human and half demon. And demons CANNOT be redeemed, and their offspring cannot be redeemed either. If God had not destroyed all of them, it would mean that no one born in the future would ever be redeemed. The entire world population would not be redeemable. Some of these half-breed offspring were giants. They were known as the "mighty men of old." (Genesis 6)

Noah and his family still had a pure blood line. So they were allowed to live.

A Yahoo! User, Y! answers 5 Comments [2/18/2018 6:33:44 AM]
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